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    My daily driver 1999 S-10 has a Bone Stock L31 Vortec 5.7 liter with 24x. See attached pic.

    For a starter flash, I modified a 2002 5.3 Liter flash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    My daily driver 1999 S-10 has a Bone Stock L31 Vortec 5.7 liter with 24x. See attached pic.

    For a starter flash, I modified a 2002 5.3 Liter flash.

    dave w
    Very nice install dave w. Looks factory installed. Being bone stock, I'm sure dialing in your tune was not so difficult. I don't think I will have it that easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey G View Post
    Very nice install dave w. Looks factory installed.
    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey G View Post
    Being bone stock, I'm sure dialing in your tune was not so difficult.
    I was on a steep learning curve. Tuning a stock engine was still a challenge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey G View Post
    I don't think I will have it that easy.
    That kind of thinking is 100% correct!

    See attached screen shot of 0411 injector parameters. I copied / pasted the L31 5.7 liter injector parameters from a stock tune. It will be very challenging to find aftermarket injector parameters that will copy / paste into the '0411 parameters.

    Maybe the option of factory 8.1 Liter injectors (about 30 lb) are an option?

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    Happy Holidays All. - Just a small update to my 24x conversion. I stripped out the OBDI harness and installed the OBDII (0411) today. The front of the engine has been stripped down to add in the 24x crank reluctor. The coil packs are mounted and SP wires are done. Here are some links to photos. Hope you like.Cheershttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tu...V=w802-h602-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mu...1=w802-h602-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mn...K=w802-h602-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NN...m=w802-h602-no
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    My daily driver 1999 S-10 has a Bone Stock L31 Vortec 5.7 liter with 24x. See attached pic.For a starter flash, I modified a 2002 5.3 Liter flash.dave w
    I have a modified 8.1 flash in my Express van.It is DBW, 24x on a Marine intake on a L31 with worked 906 heads and a Marine '395 cam with 1.7 rockers.

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    Hi Fast355 Your Marine 395 cam has somewhat similar duration to my cam. I had to remove my intake manifold to swap out the HEI over to the L31 distributor to provide the CPS. the intake ports were heavily stained with fuel/carbon deposits al the way up to the TPI runners. I thought this to be excessive. This past summer, the engine had done a lot of idle tweaking with the OBDI set up. I understand big cammed engines have no business sitting at idle for extended periods of time. I do have a few questions regarding your set-up. - What vehicle is this engine in ? -or going in? - What RPM did you get the idle to settle at? - What have you done to the idle tables to compensate for the false lean condition the O2 sensors would read at idle ? - Are you running open or closed loop when idling? - Does the sequential injection and COP offer any help with a high overlapped cam at idle ? If there are any others who have comments to offer - please do. Thanks in advance. Cheers. Mikey G

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey G View Post
    Hi Fast355 Your Marine 395 cam has somewhat similar duration to my cam. I had to remove my intake manifold to swap out the HEI over to the L31 distributor to provide the CPS. the intake ports were heavily stained with fuel/carbon deposits al the way up to the TPI runners. I thought this to be excessive. This past summer, the engine had done a lot of idle tweaking with the OBDI set up. I understand big cammed engines have no business sitting at idle for extended periods of time. I do have a few questions regarding your set-up. - What vehicle is this engine in ? -or going in? - What RPM did you get the idle to settle at? - What have you done to the idle tables to compensate for the false lean condition the O2 sensors would read at idle ? - Are you running open or closed loop when idling? - Does the sequential injection and COP offer any help with a high overlapped cam at idle ? If there are any others who have comments to offer - please do. Thanks in advance. Cheers. Mikey G
    It is in a 1997 G1500 Express van.Idle is set at 700 rpm. I only idle it that high because of the 25% underdrive pulleys. Very few changes to the 02 sensor tables. I did have to make some minor changes to the proportional gains due to the long tube tri-y headers. It actually runs slightly lean when you monitor it with a wideband. The plugs stay clean and with the COP running stock .060" plug gaps I have tun it as lean as 17:1 without misfire.Closed loop at idle (I am in closed loop in about 45 seconds)Sequential injection does help because you can set end of injection timing to correspond with cam timing.My cam is relatively small and has no problem idling for long periods of time. I let it idle for about 4 hours straight last winter on a roadtrip to Ohio. Got into a storm and it was crazy cold, pulled off for a few hours and slept a while.

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    Hi Fast355,

    Thanks for your responses - well appreciated.

    What changes - if any, would you consider if you were using aluminum heads ? like AFR Street 65cc 195s....
    Is your WBO2 wired to your PCM ?

    I should have the engine/wiring all buttoned up this weekend. I'm not qualified (yet) to do the tuning myself so, I have made arrangements with a local, very well known tuner to remove the VATS and flash in another program. I'm hoping to start the car up and drive over to his shop where he will proceed with the fine tuning on his chassis dyno. This will also include some road tuning time as well. Would you be able to offer any advise for the initial tune so I could expect a start up and limp to his shop?

    Thanks in advance

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    Hello All,
    Small update. I finished buttoning things up last night. After fixing a pin out issue on the crank sensor it fired up immediately and idled quite well. as soon as the snow dissipates some more, I will go for a road test. IMG_5162[1].jpgIMG_5161[1].jpg

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    Thanks for the update.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdPT1PGZUI

    Hello Everyone.

    Start-up done went well dyno day was Monday. RWHP was 330hp and RWT was 392ft/lbs

    If the link did load

    see Youtube - V8 RWD Z24 Dyno Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdPT1PGZUI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey G View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdPT1PGZUI

    Hello Everyone.

    Start-up done went well dyno day was Monday. RWHP was 330hp and RWT was 392ft/lbs

    If the link did load

    see Youtube - V8 RWD Z24 Dyno Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdPT1PGZUI
    Did you post the BIN file here?

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