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    Tuning 355 LT1 with 231/239 Cam & LE2 Heads

    Hi all, I have spent the last two years upgrading my 59k mile 96 Camaro SS. Current mods are in the sig. I have EEhack, TunerPro and an AEM wideband all setup working and logging great. I have spent numerous hours reading tons of threads and websites on tuning. Overall the car is in fairly pristine shape and the motor has about 400 miles on it after a complete rebuild. O2 sensors and injectors are brand new. I am fairly confident there are no exhaust leaks. I do not have any obvious intake leaks but I cannot be 100% certain on that there are no intake leaks at the manifold or TB. I do not believe there is an intake leak at this point.

    Currently running closed loop with MAF. Not opposed to going to CLSD since this car is more of a weekend warrior now, but would certainly keep the MAF if I can.

    As of right now I have a fairly basic tune in the car that I got from an email tuner. I made the following changes to that tune.

    Turned off EGR, Air pump, AC, Stall Saver, Skip Shift, TC
    Set injector flow rate and offsets correctly. Received data directly from Fuel Injector Connection
    Made adjustments to O2 Swing voltage and Int Delay per @steveo website
    Adjusted CORRCL Airflow %.
    Changed idle timing to 32 and eliminated Idle Timing correction
    Changed idle to 850 RPM.

    The car feels like it idles better than it did and it is smoother taking off from a stop. MAP kpa dropped to 59.2 from 65.7 with the changes above.

    The first issue I am having is that my BLM's are both showing +25% at idle during closed loop. Wideband shows high 14's during closed loop and 16-17 during open loop. Since it is driving better at idle should I worry anymore about the idle right now or just blame it on the cam?

    Overall the car does not run too bad but I know it has a lot more left in it. It is showing lean during cruising and rich in PE mode. No knock.

    Just hoping to get some advice on what my next steps should be. Should I continue to work on the idle or should I turn off PE and MAF and start running the Trimalyzer to dial in my VE tables?

    I am attaching a log from a short run tonight if anyone want to take a look. Thanks for any input!
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    1996 Camaro SS #308, M6, 4.10, OBD-I Conv, OBX 1-7/8" Stainless Headers, Custom 3" Stainless Y Pipe, 2OTL
    355-Stock Crank, 6" Forged Rods, Forged Pistons-11.5:1 SCR, LE2 Heads, LE2 Ported Intake,
    LE/Lunati 231/239 110 LSA Cam, Comp Pro Mag 1.6 RRA, Ford LU34 36-lb Injectors, 58mm TB, SD Tune

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    I think you are ok with running lean cruising and rich in PE mode. What are your lambda values in PE mode? It wouldn't hurt to see what trimalyzer wants to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aroberson77 View Post
    I think you are ok with running lean cruising and rich in PE mode. What are your lambda values in PE mode? It wouldn't hurt to see what trimalyzer wants to change.
    Thanks for the reply! I am attaching a couple screen shots of EEhack Analyzer for cruise and PE. I have read a lot but am new to all of this so I am not quite sure what direction to go next.
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    1996 Camaro SS #308, M6, 4.10, OBD-I Conv, OBX 1-7/8" Stainless Headers, Custom 3" Stainless Y Pipe, 2OTL
    355-Stock Crank, 6" Forged Rods, Forged Pistons-11.5:1 SCR, LE2 Heads, LE2 Ported Intake,
    LE/Lunati 231/239 110 LSA Cam, Comp Pro Mag 1.6 RRA, Ford LU34 36-lb Injectors, 58mm TB, SD Tune

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    The PE numbers I think are pretty useless since you don't have a wideband. I might richen the cruise a little bit but you probably don't have to. Richening idle probably won't hurt anything, just burn more fuel. Did the tune touch the timing at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aroberson77 View Post
    The PE numbers I think are pretty useless since you don't have a wideband. I might richen the cruise a little bit but you probably don't have to. Richening idle probably won't hurt anything, just burn more fuel. Did the tune touch the timing at all?
    I have an AEM wideband 4.99V = 19.98 AFR. It is wired into pin D27. It seems to be logging pretty well in EEhack. The above PE screen shot is wideband data.

    The tuner bumped the timing up a few degrees most areas. The tune I originally sent him was a premium gas performance tune for the stock configuration so I do not know how much the current tune varies from stock as far as timing. I was going to play with the timing after the air/fuel was dialed in.
    1996 Camaro SS #308, M6, 4.10, OBD-I Conv, OBX 1-7/8" Stainless Headers, Custom 3" Stainless Y Pipe, 2OTL
    355-Stock Crank, 6" Forged Rods, Forged Pistons-11.5:1 SCR, LE2 Heads, LE2 Ported Intake,
    LE/Lunati 231/239 110 LSA Cam, Comp Pro Mag 1.6 RRA, Ford LU34 36-lb Injectors, 58mm TB, SD Tune

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    Doesn't a lower MAP kPA reading mean more efficient combustion? Did MAP go up after your changes?

    Also you look rich in some spots at high load high RPM, can you see those AFR readings in lambda instead? I would shoot for .9-.93 lambda (AFR 12.69-13.1)
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    Well I had pretty good day working on the tune today. It seems my MAF was causing the false lean idle. I started tuning the car in speed density mode with PE disabled. I could see right away that it was idling rich with the MAF disabled. I only had time to run one log through the trimalyzer and update the bin, but it seems like things are headed in the right direction. BLM's are getting closer to 128 and do not seam to be split very much if at all. Even managed a 117 on both sides at idle. So I think after some more logging I should be able to get all of the BLM's pretty close to 128.

    Once I get that done I plan on dialing in the fueling for PE mode and then see what I can do with the spark timing. After I am happy with everything I will probably play around with the MAF tables to see if I can get it functioning correctly. Really looking forward to seeing what this car can do once it is all dialed in!
    1996 Camaro SS #308, M6, 4.10, OBD-I Conv, OBX 1-7/8" Stainless Headers, Custom 3" Stainless Y Pipe, 2OTL
    355-Stock Crank, 6" Forged Rods, Forged Pistons-11.5:1 SCR, LE2 Heads, LE2 Ported Intake,
    LE/Lunati 231/239 110 LSA Cam, Comp Pro Mag 1.6 RRA, Ford LU34 36-lb Injectors, 58mm TB, SD Tune

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    Cool! I have decided to go speed density with my tune as well. I know the stock VE tables will probably be pretty rich

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    Yeah, I am pretty happy with it so far. Managed to get my BLM's pretty close to 128 across the board. I think if I do some longer logs I can get them dialed in even more. My MAF was really throwing things off. I will probably try to work on the MAF after I get everything else pretty close.

    Overall idle is much improved and part throttle performance feels a lot better after working on the VE tables. It was pretty easy once I figured out how everything works. It still takes some RPM and clutch slipping to take off from a stop, but that could be a combination of my cam, clutch, and 3.42 gears. I have a 4.10 rear in the garage ready to go in.

    I started working on the WOT PE table and got the AF pretty close to 13 up to about 6,000. Need to do a little more work on that. It needs some more fuel beyond 6,000.

    Next up is the timing. I need to do a little more research on dialing that in. I know I have read about going to the point where you are getting knock and then backing off a few degrees. I am only currently getting a few knock blips around 3,500.

    It is really amazing how much more tuning you can do yourself once you learn how to do it vs paying someone. I created 14 bin files just in the day and a half I worked on it this weekend. I am sure the neighbors appreciated me coming and going from my house all weekend! I did find a nice spot out in the country I can stop and work on my tunes. Just have to throw my spare PCM in the car in case I brick it out in the middle of no where.
    1996 Camaro SS #308, M6, 4.10, OBD-I Conv, OBX 1-7/8" Stainless Headers, Custom 3" Stainless Y Pipe, 2OTL
    355-Stock Crank, 6" Forged Rods, Forged Pistons-11.5:1 SCR, LE2 Heads, LE2 Ported Intake,
    LE/Lunati 231/239 110 LSA Cam, Comp Pro Mag 1.6 RRA, Ford LU34 36-lb Injectors, 58mm TB, SD Tune

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    Cool!! I cannot wait to get my car on the road and tuning. I'll be spending my lunch hours after I get the car running making logs and flashing bins

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