LQ4 Power

[Skinny Pedal]

I love how this turned into a total apples and oranges debate. These engines being compared aren't even in the same ball park with budget or parts. Again, this is not a built engine. This is a JUNK YARD engine.

You are telling me you could take a PRODUCTION TPI 350 with 125k plus miles on it, put a cam in it, and destroy this engine? No way. Look at the length of the parts list and COST to make it beat this. Not to mention the 0411 ECM and other LS parts used... LOL

Considering this is Gearhead.... We all have a pretty good idea on the cost associated with making power like that in a SBC. Its WELL over 3k. Without dyno time I'm in this 2.4k. Then look at what it did without the new cam.... Subtract estimated value of cam kit. That puts a 419hp 444lb-ft engine at well under 2k.

[Fast355]

I love how this turned into a total apples and oranges debate. These engines being compared aren't even in the same ball park with budget or parts. Again, this is not a built engine. This is a JUNK YARD engine.

You are telling me you could take a PRODUCTION TPI 350 with 125k plus miles on it, put a cam in it, and destroy this engine? No way. Look at the length of the parts list and COST to make it beat this. Not to mention the 0411 ECM and other LS parts used... LOL

Considering this is Gearhead.... We all have a pretty good idea on the cost associated with making power like that in a SBC. Its WELL over 3k. Without dyno time I'm in this 2.4k. Then look at what it did without the new cam.... Subtract estimated value of cam kit. That puts a 419hp 444lb-ft engine at well under 2k.

Its still going to cost you a grand to swap that into a car and get it running. Not to mention to put down that kind of power and hold it you are going to need most of my parts list anyway. Cooling system, headers, cats, exhaust piping, muffler. My exhaust 2.75" mandrel bends are literally pieces of cut up GM truck tailpipes.



350 TPI Vortec with a cam and Acell runners will run this 6.0L all day long from idle to ~5k.

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/061...k/viewall.html

0411 PCM was $50 at the junkyard and cost me $100 to license and $100 to convert to real time tuning capable operating system. LS engine is going to require tuning as well.

[Skinny Pedal]

Apples and oranges, I'm sorry I tried to vary the tech here. It won't happen again.

[lionelhutz]

Apples and oranges, I'm sorry I tried to vary the tech here. It won't happen again.

Maybe next time bring a no expense spared LS engine to the party? I bet there was $2-3K spent on machining and porting that TPI engine's top-end alone. But it beats a junkyard pulled LQ4 with a cam and intake swap....

[1project2many]

Apples and oranges, I'm sorry I tried to vary the tech here. It won't happen again.

I appreciated the information on the new cam and the dyno results. LS swaps are super common these days but 20 years ago the SBC used to get the same abuse. There were always people around then arguing that their favorite engine , something other than a Chevy, made just as much power. Maybe... some guys do seem to do amazing things with an engine. But time marches on and the SBC is likely to continue to decrease in popularity while more and more LS family engines are available cheap in the wrecking yards. Cheap + available is what drives the "engine swap" market. So with that in mind, if you've found a way to make cheap + available more attractive, then I love to hear about it.

[hammered94]

Apples and oranges, I'm sorry I tried to vary the tech here. It won't happen again.

I thought this was some good tech info, I could read these kind of threads all day(minus the bs of course).

[Fast355]

I guess these old 350s are just garbage and don't work in their intended environment or work efficiently LMAO!!

My brother and I drove from Fort Worth to San Antonio, TX today to pickup a Jeep Cherokee and a stranded cousin. He blew a radiator hose and the headgasket or cracked the head. I had to stop for fuel in Austin which is about 80 miles north of where I was headed. Cruised those 80 miles at about the 80-85 mph speed limit. Went and picked up a U-haul and the Jeep near downtown San Antonio. Then we all drove back home. ~ 270miles loaded with the A/C blasting and running 65-70 mph in 3rd gear turning 2,600-3,000 rpm. Drove 372 miles on 25.8 gallons, 270 of those miles pulling 6,500+ lbs and a trailer whose surge brakes did not seem to like to fully release for a couple of miles after bumping them. Picture was take right befor I let alot of air out of the Jeeps tires and strapped the suspension down with 15K ratcheting tie down straps. The 350 actually pulls the flats in 4th gear but pulling that kind of weight with a 3.73 gear it is a bit lugged for the cam in it. If I had 4.10s and or a 383 or both I would tow all over in overdrive. I did not nail it from a dead stop with the load, but I did kick it down to first gear a few times accelerating from the frontage road onto the on-ramp to better meet the 80 mph traffic. Pulls like a damn freight train from 2,500-5,200 rpm Tow/Haul shift points.

[Skinny Pedal]

What would make your van better is no windows, so when you abduct small children they cant see out. They would only hear the awesome sound your engine makes.

I thought maybe you could appreciate something someone did on their own time and design. Nope, I was wrong. I thought maybe you'd like to see something different. Nope, I was wrong. I thought maybe you'd like to see something that wasn't built by a magazine first with a recipe for you to copy and built an engine to a T.. Nope, I was WAY wrong. I thought maybe you could provide your own home home grown tech that meant something and contributed to something further than what everyone else has done. Nope, wrong again. I'll just quit thinking cuz DAMN if I won't be wrong every time. Maybe just maybe, one day if I wish real hard I will have a penis the size of yours. Dang, probably won't...

I feel I have been overly polite in dealing with this. Dick measuring on the internet is retarded, it means nothing. Its a total waste of time and resources. What may have it taken away, the 1 in 1,000,000,000 people that might have found anything useful. Now they sift through a second build of 355 awesomeness. Can we just re-title the thread to "I'm better than you, Na Na Nah Boo Boo"

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[Fast355]

What would make your van better is no windows, so when you abduct small children they cant see out. They would only hear the awesome sound your engine makes.

I thought maybe you could appreciate something someone did on their own time and design. Nope, I was wrong. I thought maybe you'd like to see something different. Nope, I was wrong. I thought maybe you'd like to see something that wasn't built by a magazine first with a recipe for you to copy and built an engine to a T.. Nope, I was WAY wrong. I thought maybe you could provide your own home home grown tech that meant something and contributed to something further than what everyone else has done. Nope, wrong again. I'll just quit thinking cuz DAMN if I won't be wrong every time. Maybe just maybe, one day if I wish real hard I will have a penis the size of yours. Dang, probably won't...

I feel I have been overly polite in dealing with this. Dick measuring on the internet is retarded, it means nothing. Its a total waste of time and resources. What may have it taken away, the 1 in 1,000,000,000 people that might have found anything useful. Now they sift through a second build of 355 awesomeness. Can we just re-title the thread to "I'm better than you, Na Na Nah Boo Boo"

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Actually not about that at all! Just said I will keep my old engines in my trucks and build fast cars with the new ones and YOU challenged me to it. I am actually building 2 of your favorite 6L engines as we speak and both are destined for light cars.

You are the one being the dick about it.

[lionelhutz]

I guess these old 350s are just garbage and don't work in their intended environment or work efficiently LMAO!!

[sarcasm]Yes, obviously the engineers at GM are complete retards because they set back their engine development by 80 years when they abandoned the more powerful and better on fuel small block for their LS engines. Everyone else who's swapping them must be retards too.[/sarcasm]

Sorry, but a bunch of your claims are BS. You're not taking a $2600 budget and putting together a small block and running circles around this engine below 5k rpm with a 215* duration cam. If you put together the right combo then you could approach the same power with that size of cam, but that's about it. You're probably also one of the people that claim the 90's LT1's had more torque and was faster than the LS1 too....

Skinny Pedal showed a very potent engine you can build on a budget. I give him a big thumbs-up for that and an even bigger one once the cam info is available so others can duplicate what he did.

[Skinny Pedal]

Skinny Pedal showed a very potent engine you can build on a budget. I give him a big thumbs-up for that and an even bigger one once the cam info is available so others can duplicate what he did.

Thanks. We are working on putting the cam kits together. The cam has less then 215 on the intake and a little more than 215 on the exhaust.... Lift is relevant to cathedral port head. LSA is very tame, between 114-116 depending on displacement.

As far as 2600 goes thats whats in the engine. Not the exhaust, tuning, tuning software, my underwear and on and on..... I tune for a living so all my tuning equipment is very paid for. I am not a vendor on here, so I have no intention of pushing services or product. I do post up rigs/projects here and there I think some of you may find cool. If people think I am boasting, its not my intention. I'm always open to constructive feed back, not crap or total disrespect for no reason.

Also a fun note. Stock truck exhaust manifolds flow plenty of air for this kind of power, PLENTY.

[Fast355]

[sarcasm]Yes, obviously the engineers at GM are complete retards because they set back their engine development by 80 years when they abandoned the more powerful and better on fuel small block for their LS engines. Everyone else who's swapping them must be retards too.[/sarcasm]

Sorry, but a bunch of your claims are BS. You're not taking a $2600 budget and putting together a small block and running circles around this engine below 5k rpm with a 215* duration cam. If you put together the right combo then you could approach the same power with that size of cam, but that's about it. You're probably also one of the people that claim the 90's LT1's had more torque and was faster than the LS1 too....

Skinny Pedal showed a very potent engine you can build on a budget. I give him a big thumbs-up for that and an even bigger one once the cam info is available so others can duplicate what he did.

Actually I am and doing it with a stock 12cc dished piston shortblock and ~9.5:1 compression ratio. The old Gen1 engines INCLUDING LT1 make more low-end and midrange grunt than stock LS engines.

215/220 cam is more like a 218/224 with the 1.6s.