I just did a facepalm because once I really looked at the site I understood what I missed. I understand, I have part-timers myself. Tell the new kid where to find his ECM, then he can tell us what we need to know, but I bet you are correct, it will probably be $42 stuff. Good thing that's your specialty.... I am really busy right now, and it might be a while before I get back to $42 stuff, but I want to play with the single VE table concept and see what happens.