I'm assuming TH400 for BFYZ. It rings a bell that the L05 had that option. Of course no replies.
Anyway, the truck L05 has 9.3:1 compression, where the car has 9.8. You could use the truck long block, but it is what it is. Both L03s are 9.3.
I'm assuming TH400 for BFYZ. It rings a bell that the L05 had that option. Of course no replies.
Anyway, the truck L05 has 9.3:1 compression, where the car has 9.8. You could use the truck long block, but it is what it is. Both L03s are 9.3.
Last edited by jiho; 04-15-2019 at 10:19 PM.
Of course. A limited use calibration in a relatively uncommon vehicle is not likely to generate many replies on this forum. Maybe the folks on a Cadillac forum will have the transmission answer?I'm assuming TH400 for BFYZ. It rings a bell that the L05 had that option. Of course no replies.
https://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/forum.php
Originally Posted by 1project2many
No, I meant replies to my Car-Part.com inquiries. But see the preceding.
As Sherlock Holmes used to say, the game is afoot.
So I called about the BCWZ, reaching a certain "U Pick U Save" in Anaheim (Orange County, other end of the state). The guy who answered took a message, said another guy would call back. Eventually that guy did and took the 16159280 ECM part number, said he would call back and never did. I called back and the first guy gave me a phone number in Long Beach (south Los Angeles) for a guy named Noe (the contact name Car-Part.com indicated in an acknowledgement e-mail I got after submitting the original inquiry). I called about 4:30 and got a scratchy answering machine with a woman's voice. I think I heard the name "Auto Module Suppliers," that they close at 4, and I could leave a message with a part number. I didn't, figuring I'd call during business hours.
Just now, about a half hour later, Noe called me. Says he worked at "U Pick U Save" for about 9 years, left to start "Auto Module Suppliers" about a year ago, and that "U Pick U Save" is closing out this part of their business and dumping the inventory on him (1000s of parts, he says), which he is due to start receiving tomorrow as it happens. He has my number, and took my name. But told me I might have to call him, as he might forget things.
He did make a point of not just the 16159280 ECM part number, but of asking for the "four letters" which I was happy to provide. This is encouraging, first time I've encountered this level of knowledge, lol.
So we'll see. I don't know these people, the terms are unknown, and I'm not exactly chomping at the bit to give my credit card number. Assuming he finds the ECM and it has the chip.
What have you gotten me into?
NOTE: I guess the Car-Part.com listing would be over a year old, since Noe would have still been at "U Pick U Save" as the contact. Had an extension on the contact phone number.
Last edited by jiho; 04-16-2019 at 03:37 AM.
GAAK, this L05 is getting very murky. I can't get a straight answer on the truck version. Did it really have a flat tappet cam? The cars had roller. What exactly was the truck compression? And while the Caprice and Roadmaster list 9.8:1, the Fleetwood lists 9.68? The Fleetwood also lists different hp and torque at different rpms. One of the supposed advantages of the L05 was the surplus of truck motors to use as long blocks, with three different cars for bolt-ons. Now it's starting to feel like I'm sticking my foot in it ....
Last edited by jiho; 04-16-2019 at 06:03 AM.
Lo5 truck engines from 88 - 95 were flat tappet cam, 88 - 93 had the bosses for the spiders used in roller cams, some 94 - 95 did not. Some of the bosses were drilled and tapped, most were not. Weird stuff huh? If you want to convert a truck engine from flat tappet to roller cam it'll cost you ~$500 more comparing new to new.
Thanks for the info. Not what I want to hear, but what I want to know ....
This I still don't get. These cars all have the same L05 with the same mechanical components. The only difference is the air cleaner box. How can the compression be different, let alone the power curves? The Fleetwood claims higher numbers at lower rpms:
Caprice/Roadmaster: 180 hp @ 4000 rpm, 300 lb-ft @ 2400 rpm
Fleetwood: 185 hp @ 3800 rpm, 305 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm
Normally I'd look for a different cam. Must be different exhaust?
Last edited by jiho; 04-16-2019 at 10:28 AM.
Cars are all flat top piston ~9.6:1 compression. Two different cam flavors. The small 305 TBI cam in the civilian cars and the L98 350 TPI cam in the 9C1 cop cars. Trucks have 2 different piston options. 12cc dished for 9.3:1 and 18cc dished for 8.75:1. Most trucks are flat tappet.
Some of the G30 vans built as cutaway chassis in the mid 90s (with speed goverened TBI units) had roller cams and a different part number engine with a forged crank. Those were also setup with intake and exhaust rotators and larger valve stems to deal with the heat of burning propane or natural gas. They were setup with the GM industrial 350 cam. Peak torque was around 2,000 rpm on those. I have one and it had OEM piston oil squirting jets machined into the mains.
In that case only the Cadillac info was close. I was looking at MVMA docs. Maybe the others, someone had poor eyesight and mistook "6" for "8".
Meanwhile, another problem. I was planning to rebuild a 350C tranny. A suitable prospect is listed by that local yard I mentioned, that has a web site that seems to show actual current stock. So I call them, their system shows it, guy goes out to look and it isn't there. Of course not.
Now I have to start the laborious and pessimistic task of calling other yards listed on Car-Part.com, all of which are 100-400 miles away and no more likely to have hits. I don't know of any other place to even start.
Theoretically I could do a 200-4R instead, but why would the situation be any different.
I suppose I could try hitting up local transmission shops, to see if one has a core they'd sell me ....
Sounds like a long fight. I think checking the transmission shops is a great idea. If you have any garages around that seem to have old, crusty cars around they might be able to help as well. I know there are yards out here that aren't on car-part. Does your county have an accessible list of recycling yards?
Out here the vehicles that used that transmission are mostly gone. We have a bad infestation of metal termites. So we have to rely on Craigslist and more frequently Facebook Marketplace. I don't like the idea but I'm actually considering creating an FB account for access to the marketplace. The millennials I work with are getting tired of supporting my car parts habit.
No shortage of old vehicles around Southern California, I can easily yank any transmissions I need out of the pick and pulls around 50 miles of me. I even have a 4x4 th350c for a future cj5 project. Why not find a 700r4? The cost for a new driveshaft is negligible when you consider how much easier and cheaper a 700r4 core can be found and built.
It could come to that. Meanwhile, about a dozen shops to call, one or two other yards ....
Last edited by jiho; 04-18-2019 at 08:24 AM.
We only have plastic termites here.Sounds like a long fight. I think checking the transmission shops is a great idea. If you have any garages around that seem to have old, crusty cars around they might be able to help as well. I know there are yards out here that aren't on car-part. Does your county have an accessible list of recycling yards?
Out here the vehicles that used that transmission are mostly gone. We have a bad infestation of metal termites. So we have to rely on Craigslist and more frequently Facebook Marketplace. I don't like the idea but I'm actually considering creating an FB account for access to the marketplace. The millennials I work with are getting tired of supporting my car parts habit.
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