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    Trouble with idle speed in park

    Hey guys,

    One of the issues I am seeing is when engine is completely warm and I put it in park, it wants to idle at around 1300 rpm. I have done the IAC idle reset procedure several times and my TPS is at .54. Is there any bin paramters that would have an affect on this park idle speed when warm. It idles fine when cold. I tried changing "IAC Park Position" to 0 but it didn't seem to have any affect.

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    what mask and ecm are you using again? what are your IAC counts when it idles high? are there any vac leaks? have you knocked the plug out of the front of the tb and adjusted the throttle blade position?
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    Sorry, I should have given more detail.

    Quote Originally Posted by PJG1173 View Post
    what mask and ecm are you using again? I am using the $42 mask with a 7747 ECM.

    what are your IAC counts when it idles high? The IAC count when it is idling high is 51.

    are there any vac leaks? I do not see any vacuum leaks and it idles smoothly so I would say that is an safe indication that there are no leaks (but I could be wrong).

    have you knocked the plug out of the front of the tb and adjusted the throttle blade position? Yes I followed the IAC reset instructions and used the idle adjustment screw to find my min. idle speed of 600rpm in drive (700rpm in park) but when I plug the IAC back in and restart the engine it idles high.
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    it almost sounds like the ECM is purposely commanding that high of an idle speed.

    don't suppose $42 outputs the commanded idle speed in the datastream, or at least someone knows the RAM location of it?
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    51 IAC counts is a little high but should work. It also indicates IAC is controlling idle and not a vacuum leak controlling idle. But a vacuum leak realy messes up MAP reading and adds fuel and messes up O2 reading and well vacuum leaks are not good.

    Change all IAC paremeters back to stock for now.

    When you do the IAC reset and IAC is all the way closed you pull IAC plug and set idle to 100 below commanded Closed Loop Idle if your bin is a closed loop idle bin and motor is well warmed up and in CL. Look for the Idle speed here "IAC - Desired C/L Idle Speed"

    Do you have a Park/Neutral switch? Do you have a VSS? Did you clear codes after the reset and after setting timing? Do you have any codes after having no codes and driving around a bit? Is motor stock? If not what is vacuum at idle? Steady reading?

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    Do you have a Park/Neutral switch? Yes
    Do you have a VSS? Yes
    Did you clear codes after the reset and after setting timing? Yes
    Do you have any codes after having no codes and driving around a bit? No
    Is motor stock? Stock AMC360
    If not what is vacuum at idle? 17
    Steady reading? yes

    I reset the IAC again, and i noticed that the IAC makes kind of a grinding noise when its reseting, is this normal? Also, I noticed that now my IAC is at 72 at idle.
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    Yes the IAC will make noise when it is forced in by crossing A and B on ALDL.

    Find the idle in bin for warmed up temp or change to what you want. Leave a little high when cold, let it get higher when hot, but keep the area around idle the same. Now you have say 700 RPM set there. Warm up motor totally and even take for a ride. At idle are you closed loop? Yes, turn off motor, cross A and B turn key on, no start, and IAC will set closed before you can get to it and unplug connector, go back turn key off. Start vehicle and set idle to 600 after it has gone closed loop again, even rev motor up a little and let idle settle in closed loop, there is usually a timer when first started. Turn motor off, plug in IAC, clear codes restart and tell us what happens now. What RPM does idle go to when it enters closed loop? What are IAC counts?

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    17 inches of vacuum at idle on stock motor? What elevation do you live?

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    17 inches of vacuum at idle on stock motor? What elevation do you live?
    LOL!

    That's good vac for being 5,000 above sea level! :D
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    That does seem weird, IIRC the best vacuum I ever got with the carb setup was 12.5, not sure why its so high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSJ Guy View Post
    LOL!

    That's good vac for being 5,000 above sea level! :D
    How'd you know? I don't see location for him but yes 17 would be fantastic at 5,000 feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleMark View Post
    I don't see location for him
    Fixed! :)
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    I usually see vac go up when my pcv valve comes unhooked crating a vacuum leak.
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    Grrrrr, still having high idle issues in park and warm, in O/L or C/L. For some reason it wants to idle between 900 and 1000 rpm, idles a little rough too. I would suspect vacuum as mentioned above, which I checked, but it idles at the correct rpm when in drive. It also idles smooth when the EST is unplugged and I am setting the base timing. I replaced the IAC but that made no difference. IAC is in the 50's at idle.
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    what is ALDL mode idle speed set to in the bin? what are you datalogging with, and, is the a 10K resisitor between the aldl pins?

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