Tunercat Vehicle Definition Files(VDFs) are not VIN locked, so if you got a VDF for the 1996-97 Vortec trucks, for $79.95 you could literally tune every single 96-97 truck in existence. With EFILive you'd have to pay $125 per vehicle. TC2 licensing is much less expensive for anyone that is tuning and flashing to the vehicles ECM/PCM/VCM.Originally Posted by Aksl
Heres the TCII VDF (license) list.
OBD2_07
1996 - 97 Vortec Trucks (4.3L, 5.0L, 5.7L, 7.4L)
OBD2_06
1998 - 00 Vortec Trucks (4.3L, 5.0L, 5.7L, 7.4L)
OBD2_02
1999 - 00 LS1 Trucks (4.3L, 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L, 8.1L)
OBD2_19
1999 - 00 Medium Duty Trucks (7.4L MFI Gas)
OBD2_03
2001 - 02 LS1 Trucks (4.3L, 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L, 8.1L)
OBD2_04
2003 - 05 LS1 Trucks (4.3L, 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L, 8.1L)
OBD2_14
2006 - 07* LS1 Trucks (4.3L, 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L, 8.1L)
(*only 2007 trucks with old style PCM are supported)
OBD2_29
2002 - 05 L6 4.2L Trailblazer, Envoy, Bravada
OBD2_50
2007 - 08 V8 Trucks & SUVs (CAN Bus E38 ECM)
OBD2_51
2009 - 15 V8 Trucks & SUVs (CAN Bus E38 ECM except L96 6.0L Heavy Duty Trucks)
OBD2_52
2007 - 14 V6 4.3L Trucks & SUVs (CAN Bus E37 ECM)
2007 - 2011 HHR 2.2, 2.4L
2008 - 2010 Saturn Vue 2.4L
OBD2_59
2008 – 2009 Cadillac SRX 4.6L
2008 – 2012 Chevy Colorado 2.9L, 3.7L and 5.3L
2007 – 2009 Chevy Trailblazer, SS 4.2L, 5.3L and 6.0L
2008 – 2012 GMC Canyon 2.9L, 3.7L and 5.3L
2007 – 2009 GMC Envoy 4.2L, 5.3L
2008 – 2010 Hummer H3, H3T 3.7L and 5.3L
2006 – 2007 HHR 2.4L
2007 – 2009 Uplander
2008 Saturn Vue
2008 Acadia 3.6L
OBD2_40
2014 - 17 V8 Trucks & SUVs (CAN Bus E92 ECM)
(not including heavy duty trucks with L96 6.0L)
OBD2_42
2011 - 17 Heavy-duty Trucks with L96 6.0L engine (CAN Bus E78 ECM)
V8 Cars
OBD2_08
1996 - 97 LT1 Corvette, Camaro, Firebird, Impala
OBD2_09 1997 - 98 LS1 Corvette, Camaro, Firebird
OBD2_01
1999 - 01 LS1 Corvette, Camaro, Firebird
1999 - 2001 Holden
OBD2_05
2002 - 03 LS1 Corvette, Camaro, Firebird
OBD2_20
2002 - 2004 Holden
OBD2_10
2004 LS1 Corvette
OBD2_12 2004 GTO
OBD2_13 2004 - 05 Cadillac CTS-V
OBD2_53
2010 - 2015 Camaro V8
2009 - 2013 Corvette (except 2011 ZR1)
2011 - 2014 Caprice 6.0L
2014 - 2015 Chevy SS
OBD2_55
2006 - 2008 Corvette
2006 - 2007 Holden
OBD2_57
2006 – 2009 Cadillac DTS, STS and XLR with the
4.4L S.C. and the 4.6L engines
2006 – 2009 Cadillac CTS-V
2006 Cadillac STS
2007 – 2009 Chevy Impala 5.3L
2006 Chevy Malibu 3.9L
2008 Chevy Malibu 3.6L
2007 Chevy Monte Carlo SS 5.3L
2009 Chevy Corvette ZR1
2007 – 2009 Buick Lucerne 4.6L
2008 – 2009 Buick Lacrosse 5.3L
2007 – 2008 Pontiac Grand Prix 5.3L
2006 Pontiac G6
2007 Saab 5.3L
2009 Saab 6.0L
GMPP E67 Calibrations
OBD2_58
2010 – 2011 Cadillac DTS 4.6L
2010 Cadillac STS 4.6L
2010 – 2015 Cadillac CTS-V
2010 – 2013 Chevy Corvette ZR1
2012 – 2014 Camaro ZL1
2010 – 2012 Chevy Malibu 3.6L
2010 – 2011 Buick Lucerne 4.6L
OBD2_41
2014 – 2017 Corvette
2016 – 2017 Camaro LT1
2016 – 2017 Cadillac CTS-V
2014 – 2017 Cadillac CTS 3.6L Turbo
2017 Cadillac XTS 3.6L Turbo
Plus a bunch of V6 & 4 Cyl. Cars that I have left out of this post.
Transmissions
OBD2_60 2007 - 2015 T42 Transmission Controller - 4 speed Automatic
OBD2_61 2007 - 2017 T43 Transmission Controller - 6 speed Automatic
Tunercat was designed for people with experience, that know the lingo and how certain changes will affect the vehicle, while EFILive "holds your hand" a little more. The main advantage of EFILive over TC2 is that it has the scanning/logging functions whereas TC2 doesn't. Since you wont be having any of these functions the difference between the 2 systems grows much smaller. You will be changing values pretty much in the blind. Stripped down to simple calibration editing like EFILive will be in the manner in which you will be using it, some might say that Tunercat is easier to use. The big advantage for you to begin tuning on your own is that Roadrunner. If you change a shiftpoint, you'll be able to test it immediately, no waiting to flash the PCM. Lean out the PE mode fueling and bang, you can test the results immediately. If I did just those two changes, edit the shiftpoint, save, flash to PCM, test drive, edit PE fueling, save flash to PCM, testdrive heck there's a 1/2 hour easy. With the Roadrunner, the actual testing is the lengthy step.
Tunercat only allows you to make changes to a calibration and uses WinFlash to upload/download calibrations to the PCM/ECM/VCM. EFILive has the scanning/logging function(if you buy the whole V9 system for $900 plus $125 a vehicle) whereas TC2 is for editing and its
WinFlash program is for flashing the calibrations into the controller.
But since you have a PCM with a Roadrunner "emulator" installed and you plan to run the truck the entire time, you wont need some of the products.
In addition to a PCM with the Roadrunner installed, you will need.
RoadRunner Realtime License $249 from EFIlive
This license allows unlimited tuning of ANY vehicle supported by your RoadRunner PCM emulator while the RoadRunner PCM emulator is fitted to that vehicle. Each Roadrunner license is locked to each specific Roadrunner Serial Number hardware.
At this point, you wont be able to do any scanning/logging or flashing of a PCM. In essence, you are limited to pretty much what Tunercat 2 does(as it doesn't have scanning/logging support, but flashing is done via WinFlash for TC2)
http://www.efilive.com/roadrunner-realtime-license
Upgrading Tunercats 2 software to R/T(RealTime) with the OBDII RT Tuner program costs $79.95. This is an upgrade for current OBDII Tuner users to the OBDII RT Tuner program. This is Johns price directly from Tunercat. This same package costs $125 from Moates.
Tunercat-$79.95
http://tunercat.com/ (this address wont take you directly to the product, you must select the product once you get to the TC site)
Moates-$125
http://www.moates.net/tunercat-obd2t...l?cPath=100_55
The Roadrunner pre-installed into a PCM case is $599 and is in stock right now at Moates.
http://www.moates.net/roadrunner-ls1....html?cPath=95
TunerCat RoadRunner RTTuner with 1 definition file is $225, again $25 less than the EFILive Roadrunner license, and you still
This is only available for purchase with RoadRunner hardware. It includes TunerCat software with ONE VDF (type of ECM/vehicle). If you are looking for a solution for your vehicle and your RoadRunner, this is all you need.
You can purchase additional VDF definitions separately if you need to tune additional vehicles types separately.
You can purchase the WinFLASH software for flashing over the OBD2 port separately.
Winflash software and cable allows you to flash a PCM with the calibration you have developed with the Roadrunner. It doesn't include the actual TC2 software so you wont be able to edit a calibration WinFlash simply allows you to download or flash calibrations from/to PCMs.
http://www.moates.net/winflash-tuner...l?cPath=100_55
#1)The 512kb 2001-2002 L31 Vortec 350 calibration files used in the vans. This uses the stock 4x CKP sensor signal and the stock distributer based ignition, single coil-8 long spark plug wires. The distributer supplies the 1x CaMshaft Position sensor
( CMP sensor signal), in addition to distributing the high voltage electricity to each of the 8 plug wires/plugs and also driving the oil pump.
or
#2)a calibration file from the 2003 LS1/6 Corvette (as some 2003 Vettes came stock with 0411 PCMs) 5.7 liter file with Coil Near Plug(CNP) ignition(requires an aftermarket 24x crank reluctor and stock OEM 1x camshaft position sensor(CMP sensor signal-from distributer that drives oil pump as well). Since you would not be using the distributer to distribute high voltage electricity to the plug wires/plugs with this option, you can either install the old 9 port flat crab distributer cap on top of the distributer body, or buy an aftermarket EFIConnection cap specifically cast for this purpose, or locate a new/used black plastic cap that was used OEM on the 1998-2001 GEN-VI(GEN-6) Vortec 7400 BBC that used rpo codes L21/VP4. One application is the 1998-2001 Kodiak/Topkick 1998-2001 P21 Workhorse Chassis. When looking for L21 parts, ensure that you are selecting the 454 with the SHORT CNP spark plug wires. Another aid in selecting L21 parts, is knowing that ALL Vortec 7400 L21 engines used Electronic Throttle Control(ETC). When searching at a bone yard or when searching through the drilldown columns on a website. If the Vortec 7400 has the long plug wires and cable throttle is automatically 100% for the 1996-2000 454 used in all the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, and if the Vortec 7400 engine has the short CNP spark plugs and the ETC assembly, you 100% sure know that you are dealing. You can still order the OEM L21 454 part that contains the distributer body, the distributer gear(for steel roller cams) the plastic round part where the distributer shaft begins and where the 1x reluctor wheel sits(where the distributer rotor would sit if this was for a L29 BBC and it is all covered up by a flat topped black plastic cap. In short, this part is a conventional 1996-2000 Vortec V8 distributer, with the distributer rotor not installed, topped off with a flat cap with no ports, instead of the 9 port(1 coil wire and 8 plug wires) flat crab distributer cap. Its sometimes referred to as the Camshaft Position Sensor assembly.
Another clue to differentiate an L21 from an L29 is that the L21 uses a 512kb PCM with dual 80 pin connectors and the 96-2000 VCM uses 4 30-34 pin connectors along with another small connector. Very easily distinguished.
Also the:
1998-2001 GEN 6 Vortec 7400 rpo L21=engine code
1996-2000 GEN 6 Vortec 7400 rpo L29=engine code
or
3) 512kb LS1 5.7 liter Camaro/Firebird(4th GEN F-body)would give you CNP ignition coupled with the conventional non electronic throttles(just like the stock Vortec 305/350 L30/31). This like option #2 requires the aftermarket 24x CKP sensor signal along with the stock OEM 1x CMP sensor signal supplied by the distributer, with a flat distributer cap installed atop it.
You can also use some of the GMT-800 trucks(GMT-800=1999-2007 trucks) but you have to ensure the 512kb PCM size as most went to the 1Meg PCM by 2004, and ensure the calibration file is either cable throttle or ETC.
But for right now it appears that you are going with option #1 which will work just great.
Most people use an emulator like the Roadrunner simply to save time and for some of the benefits of being able to adjust parameters in Real Time. With an emulator you no longer have to make a change, save that change in your tuning software, then connect to the ECM/PCM/VCM and then flashing that calibration. Then if tuning in vehicle, dynoing or driving to test your change. With the emulators, you simply make a change in calibration using your tuning software, then enter it. You'll hear the Roadrunners beep beep and instantly you can test your changes. It speeds up the process much quicker. When I do some Blackbox VCM tuning, after I begin to flash the PCM, I can go outside and have a full cigarette and come back inside and the computer is still flashing the controller. So having an emulator would really speed up my process of making a change the waiting for the flash of the PCM.(it would also really decrease my cigarette smoking lol)
After you have got your tune where you want it using the Roadrunner, you can create a calibration file and save it to your laptop/PC in the EFILive or Tunercat 2 file format, then remove the Roadrunner hardware from the vehicle, install the appropriate controller(ECM/PCM/VCM) in your case the 0411 box and then flash that 0411 controller with the saved calibration file that you have saved on your laptop/PC. To do this would require extra software for both TC2 and EFILive.
It's not common to leave the Roadrunner installed as not many people use an emulator for a single project as they are not cheap.
If you plan to leave the Roadrunner emulator in your truck for the rest of the trucks service life, then you wont need the flashing function of the EFILive software or the Tunercats 2(called WinFlash).
Because John(the owner of Tunercat) sold the rights to TC2 shortly after bringing TC2 to market, he could no longer sell TC2 directly to the public. In order to buy TC2 software, you must buy the R/T TC2 software along with a Roadrunner purchase, or already be an owner of the Roadrunner setup.
I know of people who have bought the Roadrunner package just to get the Tunercat 2 software.
TL;DR In addition to the Roadrunner hardware, you will still need the Roadrunner software from either Tunercat or EFILive and EFIlives advantages go away once you strip it down to a calibration editor like you are doing. I'm also not seeing the EFILive being cheaper, it appears to me that TC2 is less expensive than EFILive when using Roadrunner. Then if flashing controllers, there is no question that Tunercat 2 is less expensive, by far.
I have no experience with EFILives customer service, but John at Tunercat sends me updates and basic stuff like that, usually within minutes.
Just one persons experience, mileage may vary.
peace
Hog
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