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    Equipment needed for tuning

    I'm soon to be working on a 1987 GMC Suburban... Am totally new to tuning. Was just wondering what hardware I'm going to need to be able to do this...

    Suggestions?
    -Frank

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    Most of us here will probably point you toward an AutoProm from Moates.net, and TunerPro.net. However you could also get away with an Ostrich2.0, and a Burn1.
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    With his 1227747 or 1228747 ECM he will also need a G2 adapter to use the newer chip. Or go the old route and find some ST 2732a chips, GQ-4x programmer and UV light eraser. Way better to use the G2 and newer SST27SF512 chip to click erase, click to write 1000's of times if need be.
    http://www.moates.net/g2-memory-adap....html?cPath=64

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    Another vote for the APU1 and tunerpro

    TOM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasty-Z View Post
    Another vote for the APU1 and tunerpro

    TOM
    I sure like mine!

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    i'm amazed no one has mentioned the EBL yet.
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    I really like the added ability of the EBL, but I can't justify it for one vehicle, especially when factory equipment works so well for what I, and most people need. Now if sometime in the future I decide to add some boost (probable), I will definitely think harder about it.
    1978 Camaro Type LT, 383, Dual TBI, '7427, 4L80E
    1981 Camaro Z-28 Clone, T-Tops, 350/TH350
    1981 Camaro Berlinetta, V-6, 3spd
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    When the EBL can control an electronic trans , I will consider it. I refuse to have 2 ECM/PCM's and piggybacked wires.

    I have used one on a friends truck , nice piece , but the factory ECM will do just as well and I already have that.

    TOM
    1994 3500 Dually , 502 (509) , 264HR , Edelbrock MPFI , PFI '7427
    2006 Forest river-Sierra 37' 5th wheel
    1999 Astro Van, L31 Vortec , 4x4 conversion
    1994 Pontiac Sunbird "Work ride"
    1993 K-3500 "Ex-diesel" 454/4L80E - '7427
    1992 454SS "Eh Stock" , Blower & '7427 swap .
    1992 S-10 434 SBC/Tremec - '7427
    1984 S-10 , SAS, 496/700R4/205 , D44/14BFF -'7427
    1980 Z-28 454/700R4
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs78cam View Post
    I really like the added ability of the EBL, but I can't justify it for one vehicle, especially when factory equipment works so well for what I, and most people need. Now if sometime in the future I decide to add some boost (probable), I will definitely think harder about it.
    That was always my point. I really don't have one car that needs one, but if I did have boost or a motor that needed better tuning I would! There's no doubt it is a sweet unit but a little overkill for a stock motor. But I wonder if it could be used to tune a vehicle, use the VE learn ability, then burn a bin for stock ecm? Kind of using it like a Moates RoadRunner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nasty-Z View Post
    When the EBL can control an electronic trans , I will consider it.
    TOM
    Somewhere I read that was in the works...

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    So I need this: http://www.moates.net/apu1-autoprom-...sion-p-54.html

    and this: http://www.moates.net/g2-memory-adap....html?cPath=64

    What else should I know?

    I'm months out on all of this, just trying to figure everything out ahead of time...
    -Frank

    1987 GMC Suburban K2500 400SBC, TH400 Trans, 3.73 Gears
    1995 GMC Suburban K2500 454BBC, 4L80E Trans, 3.73 Gears

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    Yup, that and TunerPro, maybe a couple 27SF512 chips but I think you get TunerPro license and chips with AutoProm. There are other ways to go but this is the sweet route!

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    While the AutoProm looks nice(REAL nice actually), can you suggest a slightly more budget friendly setup for someone to start out, mainly working on one or possibly two vehicles???

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    Moates Burn 2, plus a cable. Still need to change ECM to EEPROM chip adapter. But no emulater unless you add Ostrich.

    Having the newer EEPROM chips and adapter is really best way to go, then next option.

    GQ-4X is a little more then a Burn 2 but you can do stock chips as well as 1000 differant chips, no adapter. UV chips then need a UV eraser and chips are hard to find, and don't have reliability of 1000s of erases and writes. Just a few...
    http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...ALL.com-Review

    I have the AutoProm and a few ECM/PCM with adapters so I can tune differant vehicles, when done I can burn one stock UV chip with GQ-4x and install it in stock ECM/PCM back in car. But I do more then a few...

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    I bought the autoprom for my first tuning experiance. It is/was well worth the money. the way I looked at it was I knew I was going to make mistakes and didn't want to burn and reburn chips for every mistake or "let me see what this does" situation. calculating buying everything the autoprom does it comes out to about the same amount of money so it was kind of a no brainer for me. plus it came with extra chips so I'm already set for my next tuning project(s)
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