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    Quote Originally Posted by steveo View Post
    its in the analysis window at the top (target can be changed live)
    I greatly appreciate Trimalyzer!

    I'm definitely a fan of Trimalyzer.

    I was able to adjust the target, but not to 14.7.

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    hm i think the arbitrary input is broken. i never actually intended it to use 'target' when using arbitrary input since that wouldn't really make sense.

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    I was able to get Trimalyzer 1.4b to show the proper WB02 values with the settings pictured below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dud View Post
    I was able to get Trimalyzer 1.4b to show the proper WB02 values with the settings pictured below.
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    Thank you very much for helping out with "how to WBO2" using Trimalyzer!

    It appears Trimalyzer shows similar BLM vs. WBO2 data, like the WBO2 spreadsheet.

    The WBO2 spreadsheet uses "Average IF" to calculate WBO2 data.

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    It appears Trimalyzer shows similar BLM vs. WBO2 data, like the WBO2 spreadsheet.

    The WBO2 spreadsheet uses "Average IF" to calculate WBO2 data.
    trimalyzer does the same thing, but has the flexibility to apply more math to each data point. i'd expect the data to be the same if 'strict cell' is chosen and if all filters are equal.

    loose cell can affect multiple cells if the data point is close to a cell border. geometric is like a smarter 'loose cell', it affects adjacent cells with magnitude based on how far from the data point they are. i think it's way better, but whatever floats your boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveo View Post
    trimalyzer does the same thing, but has the flexibility to apply more math to each data point. i'd expect the data to be the same if 'strict cell' is chosen and if all filters are equal.

    loose cell can affect multiple cells if the data point is close to a cell border. geometric is like a smarter 'loose cell', it affects adjacent cells with magnitude based on how far from the data point they are. i think it's way better, but whatever floats your boat.
    I'm liking the flexibility the Trimalyzer! Ultimately, "A Good Tune" is the goal for using Trimalyzer. How "A Good Tune" is achieved is up to the Tuner. Trimalyzer is an AWESOME "Tuning" tool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveo View Post
    ok try this, made some changes so arbitrary input should work as expected
    Works great!

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    Its good to see trimalyzer is still being worked on. Even though im not very familiar with it i think its a great tool.

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    Just figured out how to get my WBO2 readings to show up in trimalyzer. Pretty cool!

    Should I be adjusting the VE table in all map and RPM areas to get about a 13.0:1 reading? I previously just adjusted the PE AFR vs RPM table to dial in the high map areas. The PE AFR analyzer in EEhack always showed rich <70 kpa. Thanks for any input!

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    when power enrichment is active you want to hit about 13:1, and when not in power enrichment you want to hit about 14.7:1 (for a street car with lower emissions anyway)

    if you adjusted power enrichment using the PE tables first before establishing a clean VE table on a speed density configuration, you did it backwards. you should adjust VE tables first then tune power enrichment. now when you adjust the VE tables you'll mess up your AFR in PE

    edit: of course if you're running a maf, you pretty much leave your VE tables alone

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    Yes did VE tables first. Running in SDCL no MAF. I put different injectors in that I have more accurate info for so I decided to completely redo my VE tables. I have done about 4 or 5 logs with PE turned off to try to fine tune my VE tables with trimalyzer. The latest one I did was about a 90 min drive. Figured it was going to be as good as I could get it without a dyno so I was going to start dialing in the PE.

    I just wasn't sure if I should worry about changing the VE table in the lower map regions where PE is active? It seems the changes to the PE AFR vs RPM table are consistent in the upper map regions but are showing rich in the lower map regions.

    Here is a pic of my upper VE for reference. It has some hills and valleys, but the car seems to run real good.

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