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    1992 P30 7.4 / 4L80E M.H. Chassis

    This vehicle is bone stock original, it has a dead band around 60 - 70% throttle that I have been chasing. The following statement is what I have found as the cause, any input on obtaining a chip or complete ecm that does not have this trait would be appreciated; "After a long delay, I finally took a 2 hour trip with my laptop on the dash in gauge mode running TunerPro V5, what I observed confirmed that the dead band is indeed a result of spark advance being pulled, BUT....... It is not a result of knock count, which over the course of a 2 hour drive at freeway speed including a few pulls up grades, the total knock count only increased by single digits. Here is where the problem lies; Contrary to common knowledge on how an egr system would work to cool combustion chamber temps under hard load, what this ecm does is that past a certain percent of throttle opening,(55-65) modulation of the egr goes to zero (no egr) and at that exact time the timing advance drops from, depending on load, from 25 to 30 to as low as 12 degrees. Now, how can an engine spinning at 3200 rpm at 80 to 90 percent throttle opening make any horse power and torque with 12 degrees of total btdc advance, answer it can't ! I could pedal the throttle and watch the egr and advance toggle on / off, up / down and feel the power follow suite. So, with the new insight, it would appear the only cure would be to have an ecm the didn't have this way over the top engine protection function.

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    One experiment would be to disable the EGR in the chip programming and try to replicate the dead band. If deleting the EGR solves the dead band, then re-enabling the EGR and experimenting with the EGR tables might be the long term solution. dave w

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    One experiment would be to disable the EGR in the chip programming and try to replicate the dead band. If deleting the EGR solves the dead band, then re-enabling the EGR and experimenting with the EGR tables might be the long term solution. dave w
    I assumed that a re-program of the EGR function would be needed. Can the chip be sent to someone to burn a copy of it and modify the ERG table ?

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    In the long run, burning your own chips offers the best solution..........A Burn 2 chip programmer from Moates.net http://www.moates.net/burn2-chip-pro....html?cPath=64 A G1 Adapter Board http://www.moates.net/g1-memory-adap....html?cPath=64 a chip http://www.moates.net/c2-sst-27sf512....html?cPath=26 will be the nuts and bolts needed for burning you own chips........An optional quick release chip socket (ZIF - Zero Insertion Force) http://www.moates.net/s4-aries-28pin....html?cPath=26 is nice but not necessary......The learning curve is steep to burn your own chips? dave w
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    The learning curve is steep to burn your own chips?
    This is what I was afraid of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dktool View Post
    This is what I was afraid of.
    Don't let Yoda (Dave) scare you. I think he asked a question. You are already way up the learning curve. I was able to burn chips within a couple of days after getting an Autoprom from Moates. The real trick is knowing what, why, and how to change the data. Stick your toe in, the water isn't as cold as it looks. Bob
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    Don't force it, get a bigger hammer!

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