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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    One experiment would be to disable the EGR in the chip programming and try to replicate the dead band. If deleting the EGR solves the dead band, then re-enabling the EGR and experimenting with the EGR tables might be the long term solution. dave w
    I assumed that a re-program of the EGR function would be needed. Can the chip be sent to someone to burn a copy of it and modify the ERG table ?

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    In the long run, burning your own chips offers the best solution..........A Burn 2 chip programmer from Moates.net http://www.moates.net/burn2-chip-pro....html?cPath=64 A G1 Adapter Board http://www.moates.net/g1-memory-adap....html?cPath=64 a chip http://www.moates.net/c2-sst-27sf512....html?cPath=26 will be the nuts and bolts needed for burning you own chips........An optional quick release chip socket (ZIF - Zero Insertion Force) http://www.moates.net/s4-aries-28pin....html?cPath=26 is nice but not necessary......The learning curve is steep to burn your own chips? dave w
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    The learning curve is steep to burn your own chips?
    This is what I was afraid of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dktool View Post
    This is what I was afraid of.
    Don't let Yoda (Dave) scare you. I think he asked a question. You are already way up the learning curve. I was able to burn chips within a couple of days after getting an Autoprom from Moates. The real trick is knowing what, why, and how to change the data. Stick your toe in, the water isn't as cold as it looks. Bob
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    Don't force it, get a bigger hammer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncabob View Post
    Don't let Yoda (Dave) scare you. I think he asked a question. You are already way up the learning curve. I was able to burn chips within a couple of days after getting an Autoprom from Moates. The real trick is knowing what, why, and how to change the data. Stick your toe in, the water isn't as cold as it looks. Bob
    I do feel capable enough from the PC, mechanical and the logic side of it, I have written and done PLC programming for machine tools so in a lot of ways as you say, I am already way up the learning curve, but my main area of concern is exactly as you stated, "The real trick is knowing what, why, and how to change the data." Just finding a ADX file that would communicate with the TP software was a challenge as my ecm number was not shown on Moates support page and another source did not show it either. I first tried one that Moates suggested via email and it did not work so after reading a lot on this board and find some of Eagle Mark's ( R.I.P.) posts I tried the $85 file and it worked, it even had his name referenced in some of the sub tabs / edit windows. It was suggested that my ecm was a replacement unit, I know the history of this vehicle and am confident it has never been touched, it is: 16175071 I have not removed it to see what the prom or calpak(?) numbers are. Can the Burn 2 unit simply make an exact copy of my current chip then I can cut my teeth on that one trying to change the data ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dktool View Post
    Can the Burn 2 unit simply make an exact copy of my current chip then I can cut my teeth on that one trying to change the data ?
    Yes... http://support.moates.net/beginners-programming-chips/ ....The 27SF512 chip that Moates.net sells is 64K in size. $85 is 32K in size. You will need to use an "Offset" for the Burn 2 http://support.moates.net/programmin...using-offsets/ It's hexadecimal 32K = 7FFF and 64K = FFFF. dave w
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    Yes... http://support.moates.net/beginners-programming-chips/ ....The 27SF512 chip that Moates.net sells is 64K in size. $85 is 32K in size. You will need to use an "Offset" for the Burn 2 http://support.moates.net/programmin...using-offsets/ It's hexadecimal 32K = 7FFF and 64K = FFFF. dave w
    I read those links, so far so simple. (haha) So the $85 file I have on my laptop contains all the operating perimeters for the ecm and I don't need to burn an image of my current prom ? Will I also need the bin or any other file or only the adx ? Then there is the question of instruction for finding the egr table and disabling it to prove the problem. Then, how to modify the trip point to something like cutting the modulation to a near zero percentage at the dead band trip point in hopes it won't pull the advance back with it. Also, I have no experience with the hexadecimal language so that also needs to be learned ! I have made my career by being self taught so if it's doable with only "virtual" teachers then, I'm in.

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