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    Combining .bin files .....

    Running a TBI 454/700R4 in my '84 S10 Blazer ('7427 PCM ) , on this incarnation I kicked around the idea of going with a 4L60E so I can have PCM control of engine and trans .

    Using the '7427 PCM right now , I have .bin's for $0E for 454/4L80E and .bin's for $0D for 350/4L60E , but obviously nothing for a 454/4L60E in either mask

    Anyone who can guide me through either copying the 454 engine parameters to the 350/4L60E $0D .bin , or the trans parameters to the 454/4L80E $0E .bin ?

    I have never tried overwriting engine and/or trans before , and do not know exactally what all would need to be carried over for either instance.

    Or has somebody created a 454/4L60E .bin I could start with that I have not found ?

    Thanks for any advice or help

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    I am switching from $E6 to $0D and am coping the info parameter at a time. Its taking quite a while.
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    Knowing nothing about automatics, why not use a 4L80E? I thought the 4L60E was a light duty trans, and wouldnt stand up to something big like the 454?
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    Edit: Nevermind what I said won't work.
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    Pretty much the only real reason is length , I can save 4+ inches by doing the '60e , it'll be plenty strong enough for what i'm doing . Anymore you can bulid a 700R4 (4L60) to be pretty bulletproof. That being said , if I could find a decent '80e at a good price I would find a way to make it work :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93V8S10 View Post
    Edit: Nevermind what I said won't work.
    What was that ?...... LOL

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    It was a paragraph of words that upon further thought, won't work right. :)

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    I would use the $OD / 4L60E .bin to start with to make sure the transmission settings are correct for a 4L60E. I would copy / paste ALL the 454 fuel and spark settings from a 454 $OE into the $OD .bin file. When I say ALL fuel and spark programming, I would include things like DFCO, warm up and anything else used for fuel and spark for the 454. It's very time consuming, but worth every minute! I'm more familiar with engine programming, so that's why I'd swap $OE 454 programming into $OD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93V8S10 View Post
    Edit: Nevermind what I said won't work.
    Quote Originally Posted by 93V8S10 View Post
    It was a paragraph of words that upon further thought, won't work right. :)
    Yeah but it may make people think! I have done that before and got to end and relized... "That won't work" so I said "that won;t work" and explained why. Then we picked up how to do it becuae we were thinking outside the box!

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    I read this on an LT1 forum about hacking the code and it comes in 2 pieces with gap in middle, guys were trying to combine a bin for LT1 auto to manual but did not want to give up his tuning done to engine. Seems theres some gaps in hex code. So I opened all scalers, bitmasks and tables in parameter tree in TunerPro with $OE bin then opened Tools, advanced and hex tool.

    Big gap at top and then on line 4000 I find OE so I click on it and Mask ID is highlighted in parameter tree, Click on first one and it's Prom ID highlighted, scroll down and click on others and also parameter tree moves to spot you click on in hex viewer. Does not work for all so I guess I was clicking something not in XDF or maybe a table or sequence for that parameter in xdf?

    Then found all engine stuff.

    Big gap...
    Then found beginning of transmission controls.

    I think with a little time you could take hex from $OD 4L60E and replace hex in $OE and have all trans controls changed, then do the same with the XDF in notepad and copy all trans controls from $OD and replace all xdf parameters. You would have a custom 4l60E $OE xdf and bin!

    XDF would be easy. Hex would have to be a little more careful and get some advice from somone around here as if you changed a cut off point and lost a line the address would not line up in xdf...

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    That was my ideal, but there are two problems:

    1. Hex editor is real strange with copy and paste. Will have to spend lots of time trying to get things pasted in correct place.
    2. There are subtle differences between $0D and $0E. Some tables are longer, some parameters aren't there. This adds up to things being shifted slightly. Would have to take this into account, or it will be the same as using the wrong xdf to view bin. If you try to run engine, at best won't start, at worst damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleMark View Post
    Yeah but it may make people think! I have done that before and got to end and relized... "That won't work" so I said "that won;t work" and explained why. Then we picked up how to do it because we were thinking outside the box!
    See I told you!

    Since the transmission seems to be on bottom I don't think it would be that bad. Using notepad to cut $OE trans from XDF and replace $OD trans would be easy and no chance of address change. So you have a way to check bin after splitting and replacing hex. Open 2 instance of TunerPro one with new custom XDF and custom bin and one with $OD 4I60E xdf and bin you just cut bottom off of. Compare each parameter.

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    I have looked into this as well and there are some XDF parameters in $0D that are not in $0E trans code. And addresses for what are in both are very likely different.
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    Right! But if XDF was modified and trans hex placed correctly it could be verified, why wouldn't it work? Seriously I am asking I don't know?

    There's big gaps in hex of all 00 or all FF inbetween sections...

    HiJack thought of another thread, this looks like plenty of room to make that one XDF/ADX/Bin for all engines type thing we were talking about...

    Back to topic.

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    I am sure it could be possible to get the two transmissions to work properly with the same .bin/.xdf/.adx, but I think that would take at the least re-ordering some of the code to make it work, and at most re-WRITING a lot of it, because of the mechanical differences in the transmissions, i.e. input speed sensor, different # of shift solenoids, PWM vs. non-PWM. One could just make the tranny dependant defferences be skipped over when either of two flags are set. Ya know one flag for 4L60E that disables or skips 4L80E specific stuff, and vice versa.
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