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    Ostrich vs APU1

    Does Moates Ostrich perform all the functions of APU1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsicard View Post
    Does Moates Ostrich perform all the functions of APU1?
    No, the Ostrich 2.0 will only Emulate. The Ostrich 2.0 does not burn chips. The Ostrich 2.0 does not have accessory connections for Wide Band O2 data logging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    No, the Ostrich 2.0 will only Emulate. The Ostrich 2.0 does not burn chips. The Ostrich 2.0 does not have accessory connections for Wide Band O2 data logging.

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    Dave: Are you suggesting the APU1 is a good way to go for overall OBDI tuning and chip burning? If so, what else does one need to tune a 1227747? I have an old laptop with XP sp3. Will that do the trick? I would like to pick up another 1227747 that is already set up for flashing chips and I understand the APU1 is also good for the 8192 baud ECMs. I have no desire to go into later EFI. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsicard View Post
    Does Moates Ostrich perform all the functions of APU1?
    Sorry rsicard but I don't mean to hijack your thread but I have the same questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncabob View Post
    Sorry rsicard but I don't mean to hijack your thread but I have the same questions.
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    Bob: Thats OK the more discussion the better.

    Dave: What are you using for acquiring data via the ALDL? Please advise. Thanks.

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    There are several options for the 1227747, the APU1 is likely the best bang for the $$$ because it will program the original 2732a chip used in a 1227747, data log using TunerPro RT and has an accessory channel for Wide Band O2 Tuning.

    I posted a thread on converting the 1227747 to the 27SF512 Flash Chip: http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...rsion-(27SF512) Having a 1227747 with a flash chip conversion allows using the Moates.net Burn 2: http://www.moates.net/burn2-chip-pro....html?cPath=94

    For data logging I use TunerPro RT, and an ALDL cable I purchased from http://www.aldlcable.com/products/aldlobd1u.asp

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    Instead of an ALDL cable you can also use an Arduino Uno: In so-called Tri-State Mode it acts as a serial to USB interface. I had one lying around so I used it instead of buying a cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    There are several options for the 1227747, the APU1 is likely the best bang for the $$$ because it will program the original 2732a chip used in a 1227747, data log using TunerPro RT and has an accessory channel for Wide Band O2 Tuning.

    I posted a thread on converting the 1227747 to the 27SF512 Flash Chip: http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...rsion-(27SF512) Having a 1227747 with a flash chip conversion allows using the Moates.net Burn 2: http://www.moates.net/burn2-chip-pro....html?cPath=94

    For data logging I use TunerPro RT, and an ALDL cable I purchased from http://www.aldlcable.com/products/aldlobd1u.asp

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    This may be a better way for me to go. Will the burn2 let me use Wideband O2? Are there any ECMs for TBI that are a higher baud than the 7747 and will Burn2 work with a higher baud ECM? What are the disadvantages of Burn2 over APU1?
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    The APU1 is required for '7747 WBO2, there is no other option I know off.

    There is the option of upgrading the 1227747 to the 2nd generation TBI computer / PCM 16197427: http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...out-Directions!

    Converting to the '7427 is the best option for $$'s!

    You can make a '7747 to '7427 adapter harness like the this one: http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...s-135-Shipping

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    I've posted information on tuning the '7427 with WB02 here:http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...g)-Spreadsheet

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    The APU1 is required for '7747 WBO2, there is no other option I know off.

    There is the option of upgrading the 1227747 to the 2nd generation TBI computer / PCM 16197427: http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...out-Directions!

    Converting to the '7427 is the best option for $$'s!

    You can make a '7747 to '7427 adapter harness like the this one: http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...s-135-Shipping

    dave w

    I've posted information on tuning the '7427 with WB02 here:http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...g)-Spreadsheet
    Thanks Dave U B da MAN! Took a quick look at those threads and may go that route later. Meanwhile I need to get the crosfire with 7747 going. Bob
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    A BURN2 is a programmer and nothing more. The APU1 HAS a programmer built in.

    The BURN2 has nothing to do with using a WBO2 or not, since it only programs or reads (EE)PROMs.

    If you want the easiest solution for emulation, datalogging and programming the APU1 is the way to go. There's no other option that will allow a WBO2 sensor to be datalogged in the '7747 datastream that I'm aware of. I don't even think there's an input that can be repurposed for such a use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Grip View Post
    Instead of an ALDL cable you can also use an Arduino Uno: In so-called Tri-State Mode it acts as a serial to USB interface. I had one lying around so I used it instead of buying a cable.
    No need to make a complicated situation even more complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six_Shooter View Post
    A BURN2 is a programmer and nothing more. The APU1 HAS a programmer built in.

    The BURN2 has nothing to do with using a WBO2 or not, since it only programs or reads (EE)PROMs.

    If you want the easiest solution for emulation, datalogging and programming the APU1 is the way to go. There's no other option that will allow a WBO2 sensor to be datalogged in the '7747 datastream that I'm aware of. I don't even think there's an input that can be repurposed for such a use.
    Thanks Six-Shooter, that's what I wanted to hear. I e-mailed Moates to see what they suggested for the interface needed (G1, G2, ZIF etc.).
    Any help or other suggestions is appreciated. Bob
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    Well, G1 and G2 are ECM specific. The '7747 will use a G2. A ZIF socket is an add on that will work with either the G1 or G2. ZIF stands for "Zero Insertion Force", meaning that there's literally no pushing or force to get the EEPROM to seat. It uses a spring loaded lever to clamp each leg of the EEPROM. I only use ZIF sockets in applications where I think I will be swapping EEPROMs a lot, otherwise I opt for the better contact of the DIP socket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Six_Shooter View Post
    I opt for the better contact of the DIP socket.
    G2 with a DIP it is. Thanks again. Bob
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