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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecarlodrag View Post
    What I would do is to use a EBCM from a newer truck and delete the harness and stock PCM to use the L33 PCM and harness. The use the same signals so it should be easier than making 2 PCMs live together
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    Swap in a 1998+ S10 ABS Pump and Module (EBCM) assembly (they are very inexpensive used - eBay or wrecking yard). A P01 or P59 PCM is capable of sending a 4K VSS signal to the speedometer, and a 128K VSS signal to the EBCM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LRT View Post
    +1

    Swap in a 1998+ S10 ABS Pump and Module (EBCM) assembly (they are very inexpensive used - eBay or wrecking yard). A P01 or P59 PCM is capable of sending a 4K VSS signal to the speedometer, and a 128K VSS signal to the EBCM.
    I really have nothing useful to input to the thread, just reading through it to have something to do.
    But I agree with LRT. If the vcm/abs is a one year odd ball thing, then why keep it? If it fails in the future, parts or replacements may be very hard to find and expensive. I would think that swapping to a more common and/or compatible abs module might be the better road to travel on?
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    Truth is, GM is very friendly for engine swaps and part interchangeability. I have done swaps in 88 trucks keeping stock cluster fully functional including speedo, controlled by a 2003-2007 P59 PCM.
    Ford and Dodge are much more difficult.

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    I saw the engine that will be going into the 96 Blazer, see attached pics.

    Would I be correct, this is a 58x engine (CKP sensor is gray)?

    Would I be correct, the original ECM for this engine was the E38?

    Would I be correct, this is a 2007 pickup engine?

    Would I be correct, I will need to use a Lingenfelter 58x to 24x converter (http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merc...3#.VoYMZE_LLuc) to use an '0411 PCM?

    Would I be correct, converting to Drive by Cable is a good plan?

    Would I be correct, this will be a nightmare conversion (not budget friendly) regardless the option of one computer or two computers is used?

    Thoughts are appreciated,

    dave w

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    I saw the engine that will be going into the 96 Blazer, see attached pics.

    Would I be correct, this is a 58x engine (CKP sensor is gray)?
    Yes
    Would I be correct, the original ECM for this engine was the E38?
    Yes
    Would I be correct, this is a 2007 pickup engine?
    Yes
    Would I be correct, I will need to use a Lingenfelter 58x to 24x converter (http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merc...3#.VoYMZE_LLuc) to use an '0411 PCM?
    Yes, or replace reluctor and cam timing gear.
    Would I be correct, converting to Drive by Cable is a good plan?
    Yes, although dbw can be done.
    Would I be correct, this will be a nightmare conversion (not budget friendly) regardless the option of one computer or two computers is used?
    No, can be done very budget friendly( although I guess that depends on what your budget is?)
    Thoughts are appreciated,

    dave w
    Keeping the original pcm is not feasible. Either disable the abs and run conventional brakes or swap to a newer abs module.
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    From the photos that is a 2007 or 2008 58x truck engine. It looks like it may have DOD (AFM).

    This is where the Rabbit hole can get very deep, very quickly.

    Options:
    1) Sell this engine and purchase a 24x engine - to use a PCM.
    2) Use a Lingenfelter 58x to 24x converter - to use a PCM.
    3) Use an E67 with a TBSS calibration.

    No matter which of these options you choose, I would not recommend trying to reuse the S10 4L60E. Also, the additional "small" costs are going to add up quickly.

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    I'm thinking the engine pictured in post 14 would be the LY5 / VIN code "J"?

    I'm thinking the knock sensors are "Flat Response"; so I'm wondering what would be needed to be done in a 24x (512K) flash to get these flat response sensors to work correctly? Is there a native 24x (512K) flash application (aluminum block) I can get the Flat Response parameters from? I wonder if I need to use a different part # Flat Response knock sensor for a 512K flash application.

    dave w

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