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    1995 K1500 header install

    I’ve thought about headers off and on for about 5 years. After 20 years of use one of the OEM manifolds developed a crack so I decided to take the plunge. I don’t care much for the shorty headers that bolt in place of manifolds. For a compromise between fit and function I decided on a set of mid-length headers. I have a well-respected header design program called Pipemax. For a 5.7L engine making 300 hp at 4,800 rpm (my goal) it recommends 1.275” -1.4” I.D. primaries and a 2.5” OD collector. The big name offerings used 1-5/8” diameter 18 gauge tube which is both oversized and a little light for truck use. Some of them also have a poorly shaped 3” diameter collector. I came across L&L Products that manufactures their own line of headers in-house in Texas. They offer a header with 1-1/2” diameter 14 gauge (0.090" wall) primary tubes (1.320” I.D.) a 2-1/2” merge collector ½” thick flanges and a high temp nickel coating inside and out. The flange opening is about the same size and shape as a stock SBC exhaust port unlike many of the big name headers with a huge flange opening to accommodate big aftermarket performance heads.

    Bolting the headers on was pretty straight forward. L&L forgot to send the flange gaskets so I used a set of FelPro 1404s I had kicking around. I ended up deleting the alternator/power steering support bracket on the driver’s side for now. I’m looking at a way to modify and reinstall down the road when I do the engine swap. There is no provision for the hot air tube on the passenger side, which I’ll address before it gets cold. The headers arrived with a set of connecting pipes for twin cat vortec engines. I would have used them, but they were only 2” diameter. Instead, I purchased some 2.5” mandrel bends from Summit an O2 sensor bung and a new Walker cat, and a 2-2.5” into 1-3” merge collector from Cone Engineering to build a custom Y-pipe.

    I drove over to my dad’s with the open headers and connecting pipes installed. I had disconnected the O2 sensor and despite getting up to operating temp for several minutes the ECM never through a code. It took dad and I about 4 hours to fab up and install the Y-pipe. I’m pretty pleased with how it came out.

    With the headers installed the exhaust note is unchanged at idle and low cruising speeds. I don’t notice any header noise in the cab, probably due to the thickness of the tubes. It has a little deeper rumple when I lean into the throttle, which I like. The rest of the system is 3” single with the longest 7” diameter see-through Magnaflow muffler I could find. I’ve only driven around town so far so I can’t say if it makes any more power. Keep in mind right now I’m running a bone stock 165K mile L05.

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    Very nice! If you don't me asking, what kind of money on the headers themselves?
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    $600 shipped.

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    Just got back from a 25 minute loop I like to take when I'm tuning, which includes a flat section of highway where I can run a 0-60 mph pull. I was curious whether the headers would require any changes to the VE tables. Nope. The BLM average were in the 122-128 range; where they've been for the last year. The WOT 0-60 mph run yielded the same 10.0 second time it always has. So my bone stock LO5 shifting at 4,400 rpm sees no benefit at all running a good set of headers and a 2-1/2" Y-pipe as compared to the stock iron manifolds and 2" Y-pipe. Can't say I'm disappointed, or even really surprised. It does sound better. And I'm certain this exhaust system will be much better suited to support the 300 hp engine, once I get around to finishing and installing it.

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    I too contemplated on a set of headers for my cherokee for a long time. I did end up going ahead and buying some. Mine are full length and I did feel a noticeable difference in power and sound, both for the good. Sorry to hear yours did not make a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadknee View Post
    Just got back from a 25 minute loop I like to take when I'm tuning, which includes a flat section of highway where I can run a 0-60 mph pull. I was curious whether the headers would require any changes to the VE tables. Nope. The BLM average were in the 122-128 range; where they've been for the last year. The WOT 0-60 mph run yielded the same 10.0 second time it always has. So my bone stock LO5 shifting at 4,400 rpm sees no benefit at all running a good set of headers and a 2-1/2" Y-pipe as compared to the stock iron manifolds and 2" Y-pipe. Can't say I'm disappointed, or even really surprised. It does sound better. And I'm certain this exhaust system will be much better suited to support the 300 hp engine, once I get around to finishing and installing it.
    Primaries are too small on your headers to see any real HP gains. There is a reason the aftermarket all use 1 5/8" or 1 3/4" primaries. I had a set of Flowtech 115000 1 1/2 primary, 3" collector headers into dual 2.5" exhaust with a X pipe on my 305 and later 350 in my 83 G20 with TBI swap. Going from manifolds to headers and a good exhaust was VERY noticeable even with the small factory marine cam (200/212 @ .050", .400/.410 on 110 lsa) I had in the 305 at the time. I was putting down about 180 RWHP and 270 RWTQ from the 305. I swapped a stock TBI 350 gm crate engine into the 305s place after overheating it an popping a head gasket. Made 178 RWHP and 262 RWTQ. I did a few extra bolt-ons (TBI spacer with open center, power bowl, 454 TBI, 1.6:1 full roller rockers, and an underdrive pulley) )and got it up to 210 RWHP/310RWTQ. When I got serious with the 350, I swapped to Doug Thorley Tri-ys with 1 5/8" primaries, 2" intermediate pipes and 2.5" collectors using the same 2.5" dual exhaust. Even before the cam swap the header change alone was once again very noticeable. With a production LT4 cam, 1.6:1 rockers and my setup I was cranking out 255 RWHP and 320 RWTQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast355 View Post
    Primaries are too small on your headers to see any real HP gains.
    This can not be any further from the truth based on the experience of professionals that make their living designing and building custom headers and exhaust systems for winning teams

    Quote Originally Posted by Fast355 View Post
    There is a reason the aftermarket all use 1 5/8" or 1 3/4" primaries.
    There is a reason and it's because companies are in business to sell product, and the belief of majority consumers that bigger must be better.

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