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    Before you go any farther, I have to ask:

    Are you using the Vortec spark plugs?
    The man who says something is impossible, is usually interrupted by the man doing it.

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    its got zero mods, stock cam and ex manifolds. Id tune it but i have my equipment tied up in the fiesta project and dont really wanna uninstall it. the wideband i got is kinda a pain to adapt to a new vehicle, I think it was intended for permanent installation.

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    the lt1 tables are what most people are using at tg.org, with most saying power is good with the f body ones so thats what we started with and its too aggressive, and we just burned 7747 limp mode fueling into the chip o got from a friend so it'd have a runnable a/f ratio, but its crappy. obviously not right for the air demands of the heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six_Shooter View Post
    Before you go any farther, I have to ask:

    Are you using the Vortec spark plugs?
    He obviously knows something! Are you?

    I'll attach a good 7747 bin to start with, it is one Dave has tuned and shared with us.

    You can tune with your laptop and a cable, no need to uninstall and reinstall a wideband.
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    yeah i can burn and test, thats what we were gonna do. Thats AMUR tuned for what setup though? Im not sure what good I will be able to gleam from that without knowing much else about the setup it is tuned for, as he doesnt have a new cam or high lift rockers or anything. It was just a good running 60K vortec 350 motor from a totaled city rig, nothing special.

    i thought that was a joke...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODDDOYLERULES View Post
    i thought that was a joke...
    Not a joke, serious question.

    The Vortec and earlier SBC spark plugs are different.

    I faught with a Vortec swap in my Grandfather's '71 Chev Pick up, because he installed older style short reach spark plugs. We were informed of the difference last year, and the difference was night and day.
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    The TBI van probably wasn't OBDII. If you look around the pacific performance forum you can find cals and possibly screenshots of various tables needed for your tune. The cals I posted were for a GM 300hp crate motor in a 90 1/2 ton 4X4 truck with 4L60E trans. The truck used a 454 TB and edelbrock TBI intake (waste of $$) so you'll want to adjust the injector constant appropriately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six_Shooter View Post
    Not a joke, serious question.

    The Vortec and earlier SBC spark plugs are different.

    I faught with a Vortec swap in my Grandfather's '71 Chev Pick up, because he installed older style short reach spark plugs. We were informed of the difference last year, and the difference was night and day.
    Man I had the same thing in a 440 Mopar!!! Guy had Accell short spark plugs for headers! Outside is supposed to be short for headers. They were also short on the inside!!! Spark plug was half way in the threads!!! Never made it to cobustion chamber. Went to get new plugs and they were twice as long? Guy looked up the Accell and came out with one, we compared, half as long... Accell books still list it as correct plug for a 440 Mopar.

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    Internet says cal for van with Vortec TBI is BRDW. It's OBD1 and $63 mask. This post on FSC has some info you might want:
    http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forum/a.../t-363135.html

    If you find a copy of that cal (might be on this site) please link here so I can find it later.
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    I couldn't find that bin... man that's an oddball... $63 is not supported on TunerPro or TunerCat and probably never would be as it's listed as a 16197427=96-97 export truck vortec head tbi\63\Brdw.bin So that should be OBDII but it's only export and has OBDI PCM... and most exports I have seen do not use closed loop.

    Found one guy in Dubai had a 1995 Imaplala SS, came with no cats, still came with O2 sensors although they were all turned off in bin... to run open loop. Weird how they took out cats but left in O2 sensors even though PCM ran open loop. Fuel still has lead in it in Dubai.

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    Spark tables can be taken from iron head, B body LT1 or from OBDII Vortec engine. Reportedly there were van engines with L31 Vortec engine and TBI intake. Edelbrock Vortec TBI intake was originally designed for these engines!! Look for that cal and maybe you've got something. These cals might be from a Vortec head engine with VE tables for a mild cam to get ya started.
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    hmmm i dont know any obd2 resources, care to point me to any that are worthwhile? google is so hit and miss I'll be looking but finding a calibration list for my crown vic took days. WHY are there so many ford ecus and cals btw?? FML! doing basic tuning on my crown vic took 6 months of searching just to wind up with a tunable ecu that runs my motor but wont run my tranny.

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