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    First start up, New build 355

    Hey Steve,
    Here is the info on my build.

    ENGINE

    5.7 Gen II LT1, bored .030 to 355. Block decked to .015. aprox 11.5 to 1 comp.

    HEADS:
    CASTING # 1020764, 54CC COMBUSTION CHAMBERS
    10128374 = Gen.II LT1, 54cc, angle plug, aluminum, reverse flow cooling, 175/68cc port volume
    Valves: 2.02 Intake 1.60 Exhaust
    Runners smoothed and matched to intake.
    32 Lb/hr Bosch Injectors

    CAM:

    Cam Style: Hydraulic roller tappet
    Basic Operating RPM Range: Idle-6,000
    Valve Springs: LT4 Hot Cam springs
    Intake Valve Lift: Int/Exh .525/.525
    Duration: Int/Exh 218/228
    Lobe Separation (degrees): 112

    TRANSMISSION:
    4L60E Rebuilt with Sonnax Performance Pack HP-4L60E-01 Kit. Billet pinless accumulator pistons.
    Sonnax 1-2 and 4th Super Hold Servos.
    VSS IS connected to ECM

    REAR:

    Ford 8.8 from 2000 Explorer. 3.55 gears.

    SENSORS:
    MAP—Hooked up
    TPS—Hooked up
    IAC—Hooked up
    ECT(engine coolant temp)—Hooked up
    IAT (intake air temp) connected but not in intake ducting.

    MAF—Not installed yet
    02 sensors—Not installed yet
    CPS (crankshaft position) not hooked up

    Anything else you need, please let me know.

    Thanks so much.
    Last edited by terpngator; 09-09-2014 at 04:22 PM.

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    cool, i'll do a starter bin for you tonight.

    i'd reccommend you get the MAF and IAT installed before starting it for the first time. even if the IAT is hanging in open air it'll work fine.

    otherwise what i'll do though is tune your VE tables a bit rich just in case you do want to start it without the maf.

    i wont do much automatic transmission tuning, i'll just fix it up for the gear ratio and call it a day.

    do you have a data sheet for those injectors with offsets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveo View Post
    cool, i'll do a starter bin for you tonight.

    i'd reccommend you get the MAF and IAT installed before starting it for the first time. even if the IAT is hanging in open air it'll work fine.

    otherwise what i'll do though is tune your VE tables a bit rich just in case you do want to start it without the maf.

    i wont do much automatic transmission tuning, i'll just fix it up for the gear ratio and call it a day.

    do you have a data sheet for those injectors with offsets?
    Thanks Steve,
    I'll have to check in the shop for the data sheet from FIC. Nothing on their website that I could find. I'll get an IAT sensor. I have a MAF but not ducting. Since the body is not mounted on the chassis yet, I don't know where the ducting will wind up.

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    Nope, no data sheet. Just some directions for installing Bosch design III in LT1 engines. Refers you to the website http://www.thirdgen.org/ for trouble shooting.
    ************************
    Later on Saturday;
    Got the IAT sensor. Tried calling Fuel Injection Connection, no answer (Saturday). Did some digging and found a few things. Number on the side of my injectors is F6VE A5A. (I think this is a Ford part #) rebuilt by FIC to be32 Lb/Hr at 45.5 psi fuel pressure.

    I found this thread that may make some sense to you Steve:

    http://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum...mes-chart.html

    Thanks
    Pat




    Quote Originally Posted by steveo View Post
    cool, i'll do a starter bin for you tonight.

    i'd reccommend you get the MAF and IAT installed before starting it for the first time. even if the IAT is hanging in open air it'll work fine.

    otherwise what i'll do though is tune your VE tables a bit rich just in case you do want to start it without the maf.

    i wont do much automatic transmission tuning, i'll just fix it up for the gear ratio and call it a day.

    do you have a data sheet for those injectors with offsets?
    Last edited by terpngator; 09-06-2014 at 09:27 PM.

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    so here's what i did for you, about 20 minutes work. should get you going as far as i know.

    - started with some kinda '95 f-body auto base bin (one of the later OBD-I revisions i think)
    - increased cylinder volume constant by 1%, injector constant to 32.35lb/hr, since your injectors were benched at 45.5, and also assuming n-heptane test fluid so that knocks it off a bit. that -should- be an ok base for fueling, i hope.
    - extrapolated injector voltage offset table from a similar bosch-iii injector, may not be correct but probably closer than stock injector offsets
    - disabled EGR (via rpm range)
    - disabled AIR pump (via coolant range)
    - removed off-idle sequential trims, i find that gives a smoother off idle transition on a modified lt1
    - tripled o2 integrator delay, since i assume you're running long headers and the o2s will be far away, even though you haven't said so
    - bumped up o2 swing voltage a bit; keeps it a hair richer in closed loop, it'll like it
    - base B-BODY maf calibration table to match your wrecker maf, leaned the bottom end slightly to deal with a tiny bit of cam reversion, definitely needs further tuning
    - softened timing corrections for idle speed error so it doesn't fight itself while the cam is trying to lope
    - reduced max knock retard to sane levels (one can assume if there's 9+ degrees of knock retard, it's not really knock, and we can stop pulling timing..)
    - reduced added timing advance for warmup, which usually smooths things out a bit when you're driving off on a cold morning.
    - a bit of a retarded main timing table with some cam surge reduction and only a bit of off-idle tip in, and 'fairly safe' wide open throttle timing. this does need touch-up, but should be fairly smooth and no knock, i think.
    - ~6000rpm fuel cutoff
    - reduced TPS entry points for power enrichment (will take off a bit better when you floor it)
    - increased dfco map entry/exit so it actually gets into DFCO with your cam
    - reduced CORRCL a bit, this is so it doesnt try to overcorrect with the o2 sensors, since cam/headers/etc can destabilize exhaust readings
    - disable CAT protect mode since you probably have no cat now
    - added about 7% to entire VE table, better as a limp mode if your MAF dies, and i have a theory that it helps transitional fueling a bit
    - increased BLM cell hysteresis and cell boundaries, since your operating range will be higher and less stable than a stock engine.
    - 28 degrees idle timing, 700rpm target idle in and out of gear; a total guess since i dont tune automatics often. if you find it's not idling well enough, just add 50rpm and 1 degree of timing at a time until it smooths out.
    - disabled ac clutch
    - disabled speed limiter
    - reduced idle speed follower
    - disable traction control
    - disable vats
    - disable error checking for EGR, air, air conditioning, etc.
    - used tunercat's automatic speedo calibration, since it's supposed to throw your automatic transmission stuff in the right ballpark..
    - reduced fan turn-on points a bit

    and that's how i base tune an LT1

    i should note, i left o2 error codes on. that way the o2s will fail if unplugged and keep you in open loop at least. you really should get some o2 sensors and do a log to see how close we are in fueling ballpark.
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    Thank you so much Steve. Still waiting for my BeCool rad to get here. Should have been here on Monday according to BeCool, but they lie I still have to finish plumbing my aux trans cooler, AN fittings got here today. Actually, my headers are block hugger due to the frame in these old cars wedging so hard in front. I estimate that the 02's will be aprox 16" from the valves. Sorry, I had that in my notes, but I neglected to include it in my note to you. When I start her up, I'll let you know.
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    Hey Steve,
    OK, got the O2 sensors installed and ran it for a while. I pulled 2 scans, here they are.
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