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    GM Recall of 2.3 million old vehicles due to HUGE KEY CHAINS!!!

    Well if you haven't watched the news lately you missed this huge scandel from GM trying to coverup a key switch issue that has killed 13 people and cause who knows how many accidents?

    Why? Because GM did not use a big enough spring to hold up huge key chains!!!

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    Frequently Asked Questions for Ignition Switch Recall 13454 & 14063

    Vehicles Involved: All 2005-2007 Cobalt, 2007 G5, 2003-2007 Ion, 2006-2007 HHR, 2005-2006 Pursuit (Canada), 2005-2006 Pontiac G4 (Mexico), 2006-2007 Solstice and 2007 Sky

    Q1. Is my car safe to drive before the ignition switch is replaced?
    A1. Yes. The GM engineers have done extensive analysis to make sure if you use only the ignition key with no additional items on the key ring, the vehicle is safe to drive.

    Q2. Which vehicles are involved?
    A2. All 2005-2007 Cobalt, 2007 G5, 2003-2007 Ion, 2006-2007 HHR, 2005-2006 Pursuit (Canada), 2005-2006 Pontiac G4 (Mexico), 2006-2007 Solstice, and 2007 Sky vehicles are involved in the recall.

    Q3. Why weren’t all of the vehicles (Ion, Solstice, Sky, HHR) included initially when the Chevrolet Cobalt and Pontiac G-5 were recalled?
    A3. As we continued to review the overall situation, we decided to recall the additional vehicles. Customer safety is paramount to GM.

    Q4. Customer owns a Saturn or Pontiac. Where should they take their car to have the recall repair performed?
    A4. Any Chevrolet, Buick, GMC or Cadillac dealer can perform the repair.

    Q5. Why did it take so long between the first report of a field incident and recalling these vehicles? Why did GM wait 10 years to recall?
    A5. We are deeply sorry and we are working to address this issue as quickly as we can. Customer safety is paramount to GM. Given our present understanding of the recalled vehicles’ ignition switch torque capabilities, we have announced a recall.

    Q6. Will anything out of the ordinary be done to reach customers since these vehicles are older and likely are in the hands of second or third owners?
    A6. GM is undertaking diligent efforts to reach affected customers. Between March 7 and March 11, 2014, GM mailed owners a letter informing them of the recall and reminding them to use only the ignition key (no key fob or other material) until the recall repair is completed. Customers will subsequently get a second letter in early April informing them that they can contact dealers to schedule repair appointments.

    Q7. When can customers reasonably expect to be able to get their cars fixed?
    A7. We expect the first parts to be available in early April, with parts availability improving as time goes on. We will be working with customers on an individual, case by case basis to minimize inconvenience associated with the recall. Additionally, we are working diligently with our suppliers to develop and validate replacement parts and to have increased production in place to meet demand.

    Between March 7 and March 11, 2014, GM mailed owners a letter informing them of the recall and reminding them to use only the ignition key (no key fob or other material) until the recall repair is completed. Customers will also get a second letter in early April informing them they can contact dealers to schedule repair appointments.

    Please advise customer – “Until the safety recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key and nothing else (including the key fob) on the key ring.”

    Q8. Will customers have to pay for the repair?
    A8. The repair will be done at no charge.

    Q9. What exactly is the repair? How long will it take?
    A9. The ignition switch will be replaced. Because of service scheduling requirements, it is likely that your dealer will need your vehicle longer than the actual service correction time of less than an hour.

    Q10. Will customers be able to get a loaner or rental vehicle while my car is being repaired?
    A10. Yes this is possible. Once customers are notified that the parts are available, they are requested to contact their dealership to make an appointment and discuss this with them.

    Q11. Where will the notification letters be sent?
    A11. The current owner information from your state vehicle registration will be used to mail out customer communications related to the recall.

    Q12. Why did you inform me about the recall prior to having the parts available?
    A12. Everything we are doing is guided by one unwavering principle: do what is best for our customers. Customer safety and satisfaction are at the heart of our business. We also wanted to advise customers that until the safety recall repair has been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key and nothing else (including the key fob) on their key ring.

    Moving forward, we will be working with customers on an individual, case by case basis to minimize inconvenience associated with the recall. Between March 7 and March 11, 2014, GM mailed owners a letter informing them of the recall. Customers will receive a second letter in early April informing them how, and when, they can contact their dealers to schedule a repair appointment.

    We expect to have parts available in early April.

    Q13. What does the following statement mean – we will work with customers on an individual, case-by-case basis to minimize inconvenience associated with the recall?
    A13. GM and our dealers will work with each customer individually to minimize inconveniences they could experience until the recall repair is made to their vehicle, up to and including providing a rental or loaner vehicle, where appropriate.

    Please advise customer – “Until the safety recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key and nothing else (including the key fob) on the key ring.”

    Q14. What if customer references the USA Today news article that stated issue has occurred even when driver did not have a heavy key chain?
    A14. Until the safety recall repair has been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key with no additional items (including the key fob) on the key ring. There is a risk, under certain conditions, that your ignition switch may move out of the “run” position, resulting in a partial loss of electrical power and turning off the engine. This risk increases if your key ring is carrying added weight (such as more keys or the key fob) or your vehicle experiences rough road conditions or other jarring or impact related events. If the ignition switch is not in the run position, the air bags may not deploy if the vehicle is involved in a crash, increasing the risk of injury or fatality. Please understand that we are working diligently to provide a solution to our customers as quickly as possible.

    Q15. What constitutes a “jarring event?”
    A15. Jarring could occur in an off-road condition, such as hitting a bump on rough terrain. We have not seen it occur with a pothole but it could.

    Please advise customer – “Until the safety recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key and nothing else (including the key fob) on the key ring.”

    Q16. What car will customers get as a rental vehicle? Will you be giving out foreign car rentals?
    A16. We will be working with customers on an individual, case by case basis to minimize inconvenience associated with the recall. The type of vehicle each individual receives as a loaner will vary based on supply and demand. Our intent is to provide a GM rental, however strains on demand may result in rental vehicles from outside the GM lineup.

    Q17. If GM provides me with a rental car until my vehicle can be repaired, where will my vehicle be stored?
    A17. In most cases, the dealer will keep your vehicle onsite. However, if the dealer cannot safely store your vehicle, with agreement, the customer may be asked to retain possession and not drive it until the required repair is completed and the loaner is returned.

    Q18. Why do the involved VINs appear in IVH if the recalls have not been released?
    A18. All involved VINs were updated on March 10, 2014 to assist dealers with responding to customer questions. A repair procedure and part availability details will be provided in early April.

    Q19. What part of the car is involved with this recall?
    A19. The recall repair only involves the replacement of the electric ignition switch. The ignition key and ignition key cylinder are not involved. While other product issues such as an ignition key that sticks or binds are not part of the recall, we would be more than happy to look into those issues if you’re experiencing them, as well.

    Q20. How should underage drivers be addressed?
    A20. In some states there are age restrictions that limit the ability to obtain a rental or loaner vehicle. In such cases, a legal parent or guardian will be required to sign the vehicle rental contract and take full responsibility for the vehicle. Additionally, in some states drivers under a certain age may be required to pay a premium rate to rent or insure a vehicle. To address these situations, GM will cover these additional expenses.

    Q21. What if the customer indicates that they are afraid they will have the failure based on what they are hearing in the media, or don’t feel safe driving their car, or cannot wait for parts to arrive?
    A21. For situations where a customer may be concerned about operating their vehicle and is requesting alternate transportation, dealership service management is empowered to place the customer into a courtesy vehicle until parts are available to repair the vehicle. See Bulletin 07-00-89-037 for courtesy transportation guidelines. Service management must document their approval for courtesy transportation by submitting their authorization via the Dealer Aftersales Empowerment Portal. Utilize labor code 9100387 and provide a brief comment noting the customer’s concern in the “additional comments’ field, using 00 (unknown) for the estimated days of rental. Once the form is submitted, an email confirmation will be sent to your District Manager, Aftersales.

    Q22. What if customer calls indicating they are experiencing the condition, or have just experienced the condition? What if towing is required?
    A22. For those customers who request that their vehicle be towed, dealer service management must contact Roadside Assistance to request towing on behalf of the customer under Safety Recall 13454 or 14063. Be certain to have the customer Vehicle Identification Number, contact information and vehicle pick up address to provide to Roadside Assistance.

    Roadside Assistance can be contacted at 855-381-5826. This is a dedicated number which has been established just for this recall.

    Please advise customer – “Until the safety recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key and nothing else (including fob) on the key ring.”

    Q23. What if customer calls indicating they have been in an accident related to this condition?
    A23. As with any accident, it is important to call 911, if necessary, and notify the police. If the customer thinks the accident was caused by this condition, the customer should be forwarded to GM Product Assistance Claims (PAC). Please call 1-800-231-1841, press prompt #2 then prompt #3 to open a PAC case on behalf of the customer.

    Q24. What if customer indicates they do not feel safe and would like their vehicle bought back?
    A24. Please explain that we understand their concerns. General Motors is not offering repurchase as a remedy. To assist dealers in helping customers who are involved in this recall that request assistance, we are announcing a special cash allowance in the amount $500 available when these customers purchase or lease a new 2013 / 2014 / 2015 model year Chevrolet, Buick, GMC or Cadillac. This special cash allowance must be passed on to the eligible customer at the time of the transaction. The special cash allowance is not transferable and is intended to assist those customers who are unhappy and may want to trade out of their vehicle or buy a new GM product. Advise customers that at this time, the special cash allowance is effective through April 30. GM will not market or solicit owners using this allowance. We ask that Dealers do not market to or solicit these customers either. This special cash allowance is not a sales tool; it is to be used to help customers in need of assistance.

    Please reference Program Number 14-40AAQ for details.

    Please advise customer – “Until the safety recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that the customer use the ignition key and nothing else (including the key fob) on the key ring.”

    Q25. What if customer indicates they have had previous repair expenses related to the ignition switch, or have incurred expenses to repair the ignition switch in a vehicle they no longer own?
    A26. Customers will be reimbursed for these repairs. The letter advising customers that parts are available for the recall repairs will also include instructions on how to request reimbursement for ignition switch repairs they have paid for. Customers should follow these instructions to request reimbursement.

    Note: If the vehicle previously had the ignition switch replaced, it still must be replaced again as part of this recall.

    Q27. What if customer references a letter they received in 2012 regarding ignition lock cylinders? Is this the same thing?
    A27. No, it is not. Try to confirm that they are owners of a 2008 Cobalt, 2008/2009 HHR, or 2007 G5. Also, please confirm that the letter they’re referring to involves Special Coverage #12089, regarding a binding ignition lock cylinder. If so, explain that this particular field action involved a different part than the ignition switch in this recall.

    Q28. When will the recall be listed in vehicle history?
    A28. Information was loaded in Investigate Vehicle History (IVH) on March 10, 2014.

    Q29. What if the customer got into a rental on their own and wants reimbursement from GM?
    A29. Unfortunately, General Motors cannot reimburse customers for rental cars procured outside of the GM system.

    Frequently Asked Questions for Ignition Switch Recall 13454 & 14063

    Vehicles Involved: All 2005-2007 Cobalt, 2007 G5, 2003-2007 Ion, 2006-2007 HHR, 2005-2006 Pursuit (Canada), 2005-2006 Pontiac G4 (Mexico), 2006-2007 Solstice and 2007 Sky

    Q1. Is my car safe to drive before the ignition switch is replaced?
    A1. Yes. The GM engineers have done extensive analysis to make sure if you use only the ignition key with no additional items on the key ring, the vehicle is safe to drive.

    Q2. Which vehicles are involved?
    A2. All 2005-2007 Cobalt, 2007 G5, 2003-2007 Ion, 2006-2007 HHR, 2005-2006 Pursuit (Canada), 2005-2006 Pontiac G4 (Mexico), 2006-2007 Solstice, and 2007 Sky vehicles are involved in the recall.

    Q3. Why weren’t all of the vehicles (Ion, Solstice, Sky, HHR) included initially when the Chevrolet Cobalt and Pontiac G-5 were recalled?
    A3. As we continued to review the overall situation, we decided to recall the additional vehicles. Customer safety is paramount to GM.

    Q4. Customer owns a Saturn or Pontiac. Where should they take their car to have the recall repair performed?
    A4. Any Chevrolet, Buick, GMC or Cadillac dealer can perform the repair.

    Q5. Why did it take so long between the first report of a field incident and recalling these vehicles? Why did GM wait 10 years to recall?
    A5. We are deeply sorry and we are working to address this issue as quickly as we can. Customer safety is paramount to GM. Given our present understanding of the recalled vehicles’ ignition switch torque capabilities, we have announced a recall.

    Q6. Will anything out of the ordinary be done to reach customers since these vehicles are older and likely are in the hands of second or third owners?
    A6. GM is undertaking diligent efforts to reach affected customers. Between March 7 and March 11, 2014, GM mailed owners a letter informing them of the recall and reminding them to use only the ignition key (no key fob or other material) until the recall repair is completed. Customers will subsequently get a second letter in early April informing them that they can contact dealers to schedule repair appointments.

    Q7. When can customers reasonably expect to be able to get their cars fixed?
    A7. We expect the first parts to be available in early April, with parts availability improving as time goes on. We will be working with customers on an individual, case by case basis to minimize inconvenience associated with the recall. Additionally, we are working diligently with our suppliers to develop and validate replacement parts and to have increased production in place to meet demand.

    Between March 7 and March 11, 2014, GM mailed owners a letter informing them of the recall and reminding them to use only the ignition key (no key fob or other material) until the recall repair is completed. Customers will also get a second letter in early April informing them they can contact dealers to schedule repair appointments.

    Please advise customer – “Until the safety recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key and nothing else (including the key fob) on the key ring.”

    Q8. Will customers have to pay for the repair?
    A8. The repair will be done at no charge.

    Q9. What exactly is the repair? How long will it take?
    A9. The ignition switch will be replaced. Because of service scheduling requirements, it is likely that your dealer will need your vehicle longer than the actual service correction time of less than an hour.

    Q10. Will customers be able to get a loaner or rental vehicle while my car is being repaired?
    A10. Yes this is possible. Once customers are notified that the parts are available, they are requested to contact their dealership to make an appointment and discuss this with them.

    Q11. Where will the notification letters be sent?
    A11. The current owner information from your state vehicle registration will be used to mail out customer communications related to the recall.

    Q12. Why did you inform me about the recall prior to having the parts available?
    A12. Everything we are doing is guided by one unwavering principle: do what is best for our customers. Customer safety and satisfaction are at the heart of our business. We also wanted to advise customers that until the safety recall repair has been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key and nothing else (including the key fob) on their key ring.

    Moving forward, we will be working with customers on an individual, case by case basis to minimize inconvenience associated with the recall. Between March 7 and March 11, 2014, GM mailed owners a letter informing them of the recall. Customers will receive a second letter in early April informing them how, and when, they can contact their dealers to schedule a repair appointment.

    We expect to have parts available in early April.

    Q13. What does the following statement mean – we will work with customers on an individual, case-by-case basis to minimize inconvenience associated with the recall?
    A13. GM and our dealers will work with each customer individually to minimize inconveniences they could experience until the recall repair is made to their vehicle, up to and including providing a rental or loaner vehicle, where appropriate.

    Please advise customer – “Until the safety recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key and nothing else (including the key fob) on the key ring.”

    Q14. What if customer references the USA Today news article that stated issue has occurred even when driver did not have a heavy key chain?
    A14. Until the safety recall repair has been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key with no additional items (including the key fob) on the key ring. There is a risk, under certain conditions, that your ignition switch may move out of the “run” position, resulting in a partial loss of electrical power and turning off the engine. This risk increases if your key ring is carrying added weight (such as more keys or the key fob) or your vehicle experiences rough road conditions or other jarring or impact related events. If the ignition switch is not in the run position, the air bags may not deploy if the vehicle is involved in a crash, increasing the risk of injury or fatality. Please understand that we are working diligently to provide a solution to our customers as quickly as possible.

    Q15. What constitutes a “jarring event?”
    A15. Jarring could occur in an off-road condition, such as hitting a bump on rough terrain. We have not seen it occur with a pothole but it could.

    Please advise customer – “Until the safety recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key and nothing else (including the key fob) on the key ring.”

    Q16. What car will customers get as a rental vehicle? Will you be giving out foreign car rentals?
    A16. We will be working with customers on an individual, case by case basis to minimize inconvenience associated with the recall. The type of vehicle each individual receives as a loaner will vary based on supply and demand. Our intent is to provide a GM rental, however strains on demand may result in rental vehicles from outside the GM lineup.

    Q17. If GM provides me with a rental car until my vehicle can be repaired, where will my vehicle be stored?
    A17. In most cases, the dealer will keep your vehicle onsite. However, if the dealer cannot safely store your vehicle, with agreement, the customer may be asked to retain possession and not drive it until the required repair is completed and the loaner is returned.

    Q18. Why do the involved VINs appear in IVH if the recalls have not been released?
    A18. All involved VINs were updated on March 10, 2014 to assist dealers with responding to customer questions. A repair procedure and part availability details will be provided in early April.

    Q19. What part of the car is involved with this recall?
    A19. The recall repair only involves the replacement of the electric ignition switch. The ignition key and ignition key cylinder are not involved. While other product issues such as an ignition key that sticks or binds are not part of the recall, we would be more than happy to look into those issues if you’re experiencing them, as well.

    Q20. How should underage drivers be addressed?
    A20. In some states there are age restrictions that limit the ability to obtain a rental or loaner vehicle. In such cases, a legal parent or guardian will be required to sign the vehicle rental contract and take full responsibility for the vehicle. Additionally, in some states drivers under a certain age may be required to pay a premium rate to rent or insure a vehicle. To address these situations, GM will cover these additional expenses.

    Q21. What if the customer indicates that they are afraid they will have the failure based on what they are hearing in the media, or don’t feel safe driving their car, or cannot wait for parts to arrive?
    A21. For situations where a customer may be concerned about operating their vehicle and is requesting alternate transportation, dealership service management is empowered to place the customer into a courtesy vehicle until parts are available to repair the vehicle. See Bulletin 07-00-89-037 for courtesy transportation guidelines. Service management must document their approval for courtesy transportation by submitting their authorization via the Dealer Aftersales Empowerment Portal. Utilize labor code 9100387 and provide a brief comment noting the customer’s concern in the “additional comments’ field, using 00 (unknown) for the estimated days of rental. Once the form is submitted, an email confirmation will be sent to your District Manager, Aftersales.

    Q22. What if customer calls indicating they are experiencing the condition, or have just experienced the condition? What if towing is required?
    A22. For those customers who request that their vehicle be towed, dealer service management must contact Roadside Assistance to request towing on behalf of the customer under Safety Recall 13454 or 14063. Be certain to have the customer Vehicle Identification Number, contact information and vehicle pick up address to provide to Roadside Assistance.

    Roadside Assistance can be contacted at 855-381-5826. This is a dedicated number which has been established just for this recall.

    Please advise customer – “Until the safety recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that customers use the ignition key and nothing else (including fob) on the key ring.”

    Q23. What if customer calls indicating they have been in an accident related to this condition?
    A23. As with any accident, it is important to call 911, if necessary, and notify the police. If the customer thinks the accident was caused by this condition, the customer should be forwarded to GM Product Assistance Claims (PAC). Please call 1-800-231-1841, press prompt #2 then prompt #3 to open a PAC case on behalf of the customer.

    Q24. What if customer indicates they do not feel safe and would like their vehicle bought back?
    A24. Please explain that we understand their concerns. General Motors is not offering repurchase as a remedy. To assist dealers in helping customers who are involved in this recall that request assistance, we are announcing a special cash allowance in the amount $500 available when these customers purchase or lease a new 2013 / 2014 / 2015 model year Chevrolet, Buick, GMC or Cadillac. This special cash allowance must be passed on to the eligible customer at the time of the transaction. The special cash allowance is not transferable and is intended to assist those customers who are unhappy and may want to trade out of their vehicle or buy a new GM product. Advise customers that at this time, the special cash allowance is effective through April 30. GM will not market or solicit owners using this allowance. We ask that Dealers do not market to or solicit these customers either. This special cash allowance is not a sales tool; it is to be used to help customers in need of assistance.

    Please reference Program Number 14-40AAQ for details.

    Please advise customer – “Until the safety recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that the customer use the ignition key and nothing else (including the key fob) on the key ring.”

    Q25. What if customer indicates they have had previous repair expenses related to the ignition switch, or have incurred expenses to repair the ignition switch in a vehicle they no longer own?
    A26. Customers will be reimbursed for these repairs. The letter advising customers that parts are available for the recall repairs will also include instructions on how to request reimbursement for ignition switch repairs they have paid for. Customers should follow these instructions to request reimbursement.

    Note: If the vehicle previously had the ignition switch replaced, it still must be replaced again as part of this recall.

    Q27. What if customer references a letter they received in 2012 regarding ignition lock cylinders? Is this the same thing?
    A27. No, it is not. Try to confirm that they are owners of a 2008 Cobalt, 2008/2009 HHR, or 2007 G5. Also, please confirm that the letter they’re referring to involves Special Coverage #12089, regarding a binding ignition lock cylinder. If so, explain that this particular field action involved a different part than the ignition switch in this recall.

    Q28. When will the recall be listed in vehicle history?
    A28. Information was loaded in Investigate Vehicle History (IVH) on March 10, 2014.

    Q29. What if the customer got into a rental on their own and wants reimbursement from GM?
    A29. Unfortunately, General Motors cannot reimburse customers for rental cars procured outside of the GM system.

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    I don't see how this is a GM problem.

    Have you see the keychains people have?

    I'm personally bad for this, I tend to have a couple dozen keys, a few remotes and sometimes a few decorative keychains all together, but I know the ignition switches of my vehicles were never intended to carry this much weight.
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    Yeah I hear ya! Man I have seen some gals with key chains that have everything but the kitchen sink hanging on them! :-) They wonder why the key switch is loose and they have to pick up on it for it to turn! LOL!

    My wifes cousin wanted me to look at her car for running reasons and when I drove it the key chain was so big it was hitting me in the leg!

    I don't even have house keys or anything on mine, separate key ring for vehicle only. Have to carry another set of keys for the rest of the world. But this is good because I have a spare car key on that key ring. No more lockouts and I can leave cars running in winter with heat on and lock them up, but still have a key to get in!

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    I agree, I see this as the customers fault, not GM. They did not hang heavy loads on a key switch, the customers did, therefore causing premature wear on the key switch and causing the problem.
    I'm guessing GM just had to weigh their options. On one hand, do not do the recall and get lots of bad press, or the other hand, spend millions of dollars doing a recall and try to make themselfs look better for doing it.
    When the media get ahold of things, it usally ends up being a lose - lose situation for whoever its about (in this case, GM)
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    people...... average people, not so great at logic. and to think, the average person is above 50% of the population.

    this is not surprising at all and i really don't think it is the fault of GM, however..... the engineers should have known that people would hang stupid amounts of things off of the ignition keys and accounted for it, like allowing the airbags to still function for x seconds after the key is no longer detected. that would have solved a large portion of why they're having to recall them.
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    this sounds familiar

    in my line of work we sell scooters and cheap motorcycles, every single keyswitch failure these days is because they hang a pound of keys on their keychain

    but the old bikes never had an issue?

    we warranty as many as we can, but sometimes we have to go look.. this is your third keyswitch replacement.. the mfr is going to start questioning it... lighten your chain man

    you should be able to hammer on a keyswitch, twist the key around, bounce it up and down, and it should do its job like that for a hell of a long time

    its one of the most frequently used and critical devices on a car, that stuff should be really solid metal....

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    Manufacturing a car part with the intention of planned and predictable failure is a strategy used with success. The ignition key and switch is a life endangering car part that has been re-engineered over time and is manufactured with the intention of avoiding predictable failures. GM has come a long way from the dashboard mounted key switch with no locking mechanism for the steering column. They also know from experience that the most used and abused single car part has a life expectancy. Personally I enjoy the design of the Mercedes Benz transponder keys. The ability to never take the key out of your pocket to unlock the doors, open the trunk, and drive the car reflects the foresight of their engineers. The mechanical cut sidewinder key is neatly incorporated into the key fob as a means to enter the vehicle in case of power loss. The physical connection to the dash is not with the key, but the key fob itself. The car I am talking about is a 2003 MB CLK55 AMG. This technology has been available for some time, maybe GM should adopt something like this. I have seen keychain clutter do serious damage, typically on the keychain of someone who carries their junk on it, a few being the janitor type that is nothing but keys.

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    Personally I enjoy the design of the Mercedes Benz transponder keys. The ability to never take the key out of your pocket to unlock the doors, open the trunk, and drive the car reflects the foresight of their engineers.
    When those keys are lost or damaged the cost to replace is 8300% higher than a traditional key. In addition to paying for a new fob you will have to buy a new emergency key, pay to have that key cut, pay a service facility to program the fob and car, and possibly cover towing to that facility. And you may be forced to use the dealer for service as most indies do not have the tools to perform the programming. Chrysler products also use those fobs and we have plenty of them in our fleet. The ability to start the car without putting the key in the dash is thanks to a feature that's only available on some cars at additional cost. Although the RF key transmitter is touted as a security feature, the cost associated for parts, service, and tools for the indies indicates that it's not engineering but a financially driven group such as marketing behind that system.

    This technology has been available for some time, maybe GM should adopt something like this.
    GM used a wireless key fob in their FirebirdIII concept car in 1958. And they've offered it several times over the years. In the past most customers did not believe the value was worth the cost but it's being included in more models as time progresses. While the new, upscale Mercedes owner is conditioned to pay dearly for repairs, to build long term brand loyalty among people who cannot leave a paycheck at the service department for a key you build a vehicle that's reliable and relatively inexpensive and uncomplicated to repair.

    Our automotive history is full of stories of the manufacturer and the dealer blaming the customer for problems. Sometimes the blame is valid. But stories of giant, heavy keychains have been around far longer than the vehicles being recalled and anyone in the automotive repair industry for any length of time has stories about "too much junk on the keychain." While it's certainly possible that a corporate strategy of laying off experienced employees to hire new grads for less pay might have been a factor, it's hard to imagine there are no records or archives available for research and review should someone desire to look as part of the design process. With GM having trouble making money, and during a time when they were discontinuing brands that were not profitable, I have no doubt that engineering and manufacturing were working to build parts in a simple, inexpensive manner. As I understand this situation the part was redesigned but the fix wasn't implemented. If the decision not to implement was cost driven then I do believe GM should get into trouble for gambling in a situation where a loss can never be repaid. Based on my experiences I would be extremely surprised if blame for this should rest on engineering.

    Oh, and here's a helpful tip regarding the Mercedes / Chrysler key fob: Look closely at the intersection of the square end of the fob and the rounded "handle" portion. If you see cracks in the plastic housing the circuitry inside is probably being physically stressed each time the key is twisted. If the fob fails to start the vehicle you will need to inspect the board inside to locate broken solder joints. They usually occur near the antennae or around the small capacitor nearby.

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    I watched part of the government hearings and GM, the fix for the key switch was a heavier spring to increase torque. The cost for new spring was $.56

    A lot of our conversation has been big heavy key chains and wear. But this recal is not about wear. It's about the key switch turning vehicle off = key moving position! Then engine is off along with PS/PB Air Bags etc...

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    IIRC the air bags in some of the older GM vehicles stay active for a few seconds after key off because there was no guarantee that they key would stay in the "on" position during a crash. I specifically remember a discussion about heavy key chains swinging around during an impact and potentially turning the key to "off."

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    Seems as though the theory of lost experienced engineers for lower cost new guys during restucture had a lot to do with this issue! Wonder what else?

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    Yes, the downside of the wireless keyfob is price and inconvenience when lost or stolen. A few years ago, I went with a friend to the airport so he could board his flight and I was to store his car while he was away. I didn't realize he had the only key to his car in his pocket when he rushed inside to catch his flight. Good thing the engine was still running or it would have not been able to start and be towed away. Fortunately, I was able to make a 20 mile drive without coming to a complete stop before the engine shut down. Yes, my trip included several right turns around the block to avoid getting caught in a red light. Good times! He mailed his key back to me the next day. This is a bit off-topic, but it's worth mentioning one of the security designs of the wireless key technology.

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    Hmmm...? A freind of mines dad had one of them in a new Toyota I think is what the car was and he had walked away into a shop to retrieve something left behind and the car turned off when he was to far away.

    I thought it was a cool option to be able to just get in and push the starter button because the Fob was in his pocket.

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    Yes, some vehicles will shut down when the keyfob is out of range AND the vehicle is not in motion. The Benz design is able to keep the car running when the "Key Not Recognized" message is shown in the Info-Center. This is due to the chance the batteries in the keyfob are fading and lessens the inconvenience for the owner. It will allow a drive cycle to continue, even after shifter set to Park and into Drive again. Like all systems of this nature, it will not shut the car down while it is in motion for safety reasons. Once the car comes to a complete stop, regardless of gear selection, it will shut down. Once upon a time ago, the owner visited the MB service center for battery replacement in the keyfob. They charged him $40.. After I showed him the trick to access the twin button cell batteries inside, he was happy to know it isn't some proprietary battery. Needless to say, he doesn't get the keyfob batteries changed at the dealership any more.

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