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    Noob...first EFI LIVE attempt questions on standalone harness pcm changes

    So, my swap is slowly getting closer on the Jeep.

    What I have for frankenJeep;
    2003 5.3 LS from Silverado It's DBW and I have a TAC and pedal from an '03 as well.
    2003 pcm (5.3/4L60E stock tune)
    2005 Harness from a 6.0/4L80E Silverado
    4L80E & NV242HD transfer case (from H1 Hummer)

    I have thinned the harness, and removed the AC/EVAP/REAR O2's/low oil sender/oil pressure connectors.

    Found 2 same os(12579405) files on tunefiledepot one is 6.0/4L80E and other is 5.3/4L60E
    I could not locate another 4L80E file that was the same os as the pcm I have(12593058).
    Assuming I'll be able to flash a newer os on the pcm?????

    I did 2 segment swaps on the 5.3 file from the 6.0 4L80E file.
    Then disabled VATS, changed all the MIL/DTC codes for the rear O2 sensors/EVAP/ to not reported.

    What is the correct way disabled A/C control in the pcm?
    Anything else that needs to be changed for a standalone harness config?

    Talk about information overload....compared to ODB1 stuff that is.
    Thanks in advance. Probably have other questions as I venture deeper down the rabbit hole.

    I can post the file I'm working on if it helps?
    Tony
    Looking to buy TunerCat OBDII
    '88 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka Babywag) and '90 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka JUNKbucket) both fuel injected
    '94 Caprice Wagon

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    I'm willing to take a look at the file your working on.

    I would set the RPM that enables A/C to minimum.

    dave w
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    Original file 5.3/4L60E and my current file w/ 4L80E segment swap and some things disabled.

    The segment swap(s) came from a 6.0 LQ4 w/ same os, copied trans. and trans. diagnostic segments to my file.

    TIA

    EDIT: Also noticed that the 4L60E file has brake torque management, while the 4L80E file does not...
    Last edited by babywag; 02-09-2014 at 05:25 PM.
    Tony
    Looking to buy TunerCat OBDII
    '88 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka Babywag) and '90 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka JUNKbucket) both fuel injected
    '94 Caprice Wagon

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    I've noticed the .tun files are 1 Meg, which should be for a PCM with Green / Red connectors? I'm sure you have the correct PCM, just checking.

    There could be a couple hours of homework to make sure the .tun file is ready. I use the comparison feature to double check the changes that were made, see attached screen shot.

    The transmission segment swap looks good, including the brake torque management. See attached screen shot.

    The differences I found using the comparison tool:

    dave w


    Comparison summary: 08:27:28 pm, Sunday Feb 09, 2014

    Calibration comparison between 2003 LM7 5.3 4L80E (12579405)_0000.tun and 2003 Chevrolet Silverado Truck Automatic LM7 5.3 Litre (12579405)(1).tun.
    *Values that differ by more than 0.000100% are considered different.


    C6001 "Engine DTC Processing Enablers" N/A "Different from row 25 to row 103 inclusive."
    C6002 "Engine DTC MIL Enablers" N/A "Different from row 25 to row 103 inclusive."
    D1201 "1st Gear Ratio" 7.211523 "CAL: 2.482 <-> ALT: 3.059"
    D1202 "2nd Gear Ratio" 1.788384 "CAL: 1.482 <-> ALT: 1.625"
    D1204 "4th Gear Ratio" -0.668355 "CAL: 0.750 <-> ALT: 0.697"
    D1205 "Rev Gear Ratio" 2.716147 "CAL: 2.077 <-> ALT: 2.294"
    D1206 "WOT Shift Mode Upper Threshold" 2.999969 "CAL: 90 <-> ALT: 93"
    D1207 "WOT Shift Mode Lower Threshold" 8.499405 "CAL: 82 <-> ALT: 90"
    D1208 "WOT Shift Mode Upper Threshold - Cruise" 2.999969 "CAL: 90 <-> ALT: 93"
    D1209 "WOT Shift Mode Lower Threshold - Cruise" 8.499405 "CAL: 82 <-> ALT: 90"
    D4601 "Shift Stabilization Ratios" 1.803125 "Different from row 0 to row 3 inclusive."
    D0901 "Part throttle 1->2 Shift Speeds" 4.492256 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D0902 "Part throttle 2->3 Shift Speeds" 10.547036 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D0903 "Part throttle 3->4 Shift Speeds" 66.407263 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D0906 "Part throttle 2->1 Shift Speeds" 9.375143 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D0907 "Part throttle 3->2 Shift Speeds" 8.984512 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D0908 "Part throttle 4->3 Shift Speeds" 67.188525 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D0910 "WOT 1->2 Shift Speeds, Normal" 4.296941 "CAL: 40 <-> ALT: 58"
    D0911 "WOT 1->2 Shift Speeds, Performance" 3.125048 "CAL: 40 <-> ALT: 53"
    D0912 "WOT 1->2 Shift Speeds, Hot" 3.125048 "CAL: 40 <-> ALT: 53"
    D0963 "WOT 1->2 Shift Speeds, 4WD Low" 1.562524 "CAL: 26 <-> ALT: 32"
    D0915 "WOT 2->3 Shift Speeds, Normal" 5.078202 "CAL: 89 <-> ALT: 109"
    D0916 "WOT 2->3 Shift Speeds, Performance" 5.078202 "CAL: 89 <-> ALT: 109"
    D0917 "WOT 2->3 Shift Speeds, Hot" 5.078202 "CAL: 89 <-> ALT: 109"
    D0964 "WOT 2->3 Shift Speeds, 4WD Low" 15.625238 "CAL: 40 <-> ALT: 105"
    D0919 "Manual Hold Gear, 2nd, 2->3 Shift Speeds" 0.389105 "CAL: 410 <-> ALT: 412"
    D0920 "WOT 3->4 Shift Speeds, Normal" 70.313572 "CAL: 121 <-> ALT: 410"
    D0921 "WOT 3->4 Shift Speeds, Performance" 70.313572 "CAL: 121 <-> ALT: 410"
    D0922 "WOT 3->4 Shift Speeds, Hot" 70.313572 "CAL: 121 <-> ALT: 410"
    D0965 "WOT 3->4 Shift Speeds, 4WD Low" 19.531548 "CAL: 80 <-> ALT: 161"
    D0914 "Manual Hold Gear, 2nd, 1->2 Shift Speeds" 14.921797 "Different from row 11 to row 16 inclusive."
    D0925 "WOT 2->1 Shift Speeds, Normal" -1.562524 "CAL: 56 <-> ALT: 50"
    D0926 "WOT 2->1 Shift Speeds, Performance" -0.781262 "CAL: 60 <-> ALT: 56"
    D0927 "WOT 2->1 Shift Speeds, Hot" -1.562524 "CAL: 56 <-> ALT: 50"
    D0966 "WOT 2->1 Shift Speeds, 4WD Low" 1.171893 "CAL: 24 <-> ALT: 29"
    D0928 "Manual Downshift 2->1 Shift Speed" -0.585946 "CAL: 64 <-> ALT: 62"
    D0930 "WOT 3->2 Shift Speeds, Normal" 0.390631 "CAL: 103 <-> ALT: 105"
    D0931 "WOT 3->2 Shift Speeds, Performance" 0.390631 "CAL: 106 <-> ALT: 108"
    D0932 "WOT 3->2 Shift Speeds, Hot" -0.390631 "CAL: 106 <-> ALT: 105"
    D0967 "WOT 3->2 Shift Speeds, 4WD Low" 9.765774 "CAL: 48 <-> ALT: 89"
    D0933 "Manual Downshift Gear 3->2 Shift Speeds" 65.235370 "CAL: 113 <-> ALT: 381"
    D0935 "WOT 4->3 Shift Speeds, Normal" 59.375906 "CAL: 137 <-> ALT: 381"
    D0936 "WOT 4->3 Shift Speeds, Performance" 59.375906 "CAL: 137 <-> ALT: 381"
    D0937 "WOT 4->3 Shift Speeds, Hot" 59.375906 "CAL: 137 <-> ALT: 381"
    D0968 "WOT 4->3 Shift Speeds, 4WD Low" 3.906310 "CAL: 121 <-> ALT: 137"
    D0940 "WOT 1->2 Shift RPM, Normal" 4.882962 "CAL: 5200 <-> ALT: 5600"
    D0969 "WOT 1->2 Shift RPM, 4WD Low" -17.090365 "CAL: 4400 <-> ALT: 3000"
    D0970 "WOT 2->3 Shift RPM, 4WD Low" -17.090365 "CAL: 4400 <-> ALT: 3000"
    D0950 "WOT 3->4 Shift RPM, Normal" 41.404462 "CAL: 4800 <-> ALT: 8192"
    D0951 "WOT 3->4 Shift RPM, Performance" 41.404462 "CAL: 4800 <-> ALT: 8192"
    D0952 "WOT 3->4 Shift RPM, Hot" 41.404462 "CAL: 4800 <-> ALT: 8192"
    D0971 "WOT 3->4 Shift RPM, 4WD Low" 7.324442 "CAL: 4800 <-> ALT: 5400"
    D0960 "2->1 Throttle Kickdown" 59.999389 "Different from cell: 0,1 to cell: 2,7 inclusive."
    D0961 "3->2 Throttle Kickdown" -100.000000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 2,11 inclusive."
    D0962 "4->3 Throttle Kickdown" -100.000000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 2,16 inclusive."
    D1108 "Desired 1-2 Shift Times" 2.500000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
    D1109 "Desired 2-3 Shift Times" 3.500000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 1,16 inclusive."
    D1110 "Desired 3-4 Shift Times" -8.000000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 1,16 inclusive."
    D1001 "TCC Apply Speeds - Second Gear" 91.796749 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D1002 "TCC Apply Speeds - Third Gear" 19.531548 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D1003 "TCC Apply Speeds - Fourth Gear" 85.938811 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D1004 "TCC Release Speeds - Second Gear" 92.578011 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D1005 "TCC Release Speeds - Third Gear" 19.531548 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D1006 "TCC Release Speeds - Fourth Gear" 80.860608 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 3,16 inclusive."
    D2902 "TCC Maximum Pressure" -4.687643 "CAL: 910 <-> ALT: 827"
    D2903 "TCC Solenoid Minimum PWM" -70.000305 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 4,16 inclusive."
    D2904 "TCC Solenoid Maximum PWM" -3.997925 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 4,16 inclusive."
    D2905 "TCC Pressure Apply Rate" -1.250000 "Different from row 0 to row 16 inclusive."
    D0701 "Base Pressure 1->2 Shift" 27.083333 "Different from cell: 0,1 to cell: 1,32 inclusive."
    D0704 "1->2 Temperature Pressure Adjust" -6.770833 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 4,16 inclusive."
    D0702 "Base Pressure 2->3 Shift" 11.979167 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 1,32 inclusive."
    D0706 "2->3 Temperature Pressure Adjust" -23.437500 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 4,16 inclusive."
    D0703 "Base Pressure 3->4 Shift" 36.458333 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 1,32 inclusive."
    D0708 "3->4 Temperature Pressure Adjust" -15.625000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 4,16 inclusive."
    D1101 "Low Pressure Adjust 1-2 Shift" 8.368201 "Different from row 3 to row 16 inclusive."
    D1102 "Low Pressure Adjust 2-3 Shift" 8.368201 "Different from row 4 to row 16 inclusive."
    D1107 "High Pressure Adjust" -23.430962 "Different from row 0 to row 16 inclusive."
    D1501 "Standing Shift P/N to Drive Pressure" -62.500000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 8,8 inclusive."
    D1502 "Standing Shift P/N to Reverse Pressure" -62.500000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 8,8 inclusive."
    D1503 "Standing Shift Drive to Reverse Pressure" -62.500000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 8,8 inclusive."
    D0801 "Torque Reduction 1->2 Shift" 16.998810 "Different from cell: 0,3 to cell: 1,16 inclusive."
    D0802 "Torque Reduction 2->3 Shift" 15.997803 "Different from cell: 0,1 to cell: 1,16 inclusive."
    D2001 "Abuse Mode RPM Enable" -6.714072 "CAL: 1750 <-> ALT: 1200"
    D2002 "Abuse Mode TPS Enable" -7.000946 "CAL: 12.00 <-> ALT: 5.00"
    D2003 "Abuse Mode Speed Enable" 78.126192 "CAL: 89 <-> ALT: 410"
    D2004 "Abuse Mode Torque Reduction" 44.999542 "Different from row 3 to row 17 inclusive."
    E0101 "Transmission DTC Fault Processing Enablers" N/A "Different from row 3 to row 30 inclusive."
    E0102 "Transmission DTC Fault Max Pressure Enablers" N/A "Different from row 3 to row 54 inclusive."
    E0103 "Transmission Failsafe Enablers" N/A "Different from row 20 to row 54 inclusive."
    E0104 "Transmission DTC Fault Pressure Modifiers" N/A "Different from row 0 to row 41 inclusive."
    E1101 "Transmission Overtemp Threshold" -0.220264 "CAL: 131 <-> ALT: 130"
    E0801 "Slipping Trans Test Max TPS" -0.997955 "CAL: 100 <-> ALT: 99"
    E0802 "Slipping Trans Test Min TPS" 9.991760 "CAL: 10 <-> ALT: 20"
    E0803 "Slipping Trans Test Max Temp" 5.947137 "CAL: 130 <-> ALT: 150"
    G1201 "Anti Theft Configuration" N/A "CAL: None <-> ALT: Class-2"
    G0101 "A/C Disable RPM" 41.016251 "CAL: 0 <-> ALT: 5250"
    H0104 "Trans Output Shaft Revs/Kilometer" -5.237216 "CAL: 1733.6250 <-> ALT: 1577.0323"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    I've noticed the .tun files are 1 Meg, which should be for a PCM with Green / Red connectors? I'm sure you have the correct PCM, just checking.
    Now I'm confused...I thought anything 2003-2007 was blue/green connectors?

    PCM is a 2003 Serv.# 12576106 blue/green connectors and EFILive states 1MB
    Both the files I used from tunedepot are 2003, so shouldn't they also be blue/green 1MB?
    Tony
    Looking to buy TunerCat OBDII
    '88 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka Babywag) and '90 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka JUNKbucket) both fuel injected
    '94 Caprice Wagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by babywag View Post
    Now I'm confused...I thought anything 2003-2007 was blue/green connectors?

    PCM is a 2003 Serv.# 12576106 blue/green connectors and EFILive states 1MB
    Both the files I used from tunedepot are 2003, so shouldn't they also be blue/green 1MB?
    Sorry, I should have posted blue/green to have avoided causing you confusion. You have the correct computer and the correct files.

    dave w

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave w View Post
    Sorry, I should have posted blue/green to have avoided causing you confusion. You have the correct computer and the correct files.

    dave w
    No worries, I saw "red", and went aww sheeit did I get the wrong pcm...
    Wouldn't be the first time I've done something like that.
    Tony
    Looking to buy TunerCat OBDII
    '88 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka Babywag) and '90 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka JUNKbucket) both fuel injected
    '94 Caprice Wagon

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    Next question....fuel system

    The engine came w/ an '05 intake and returnless fuel rail. I didn't want to use the 'spensive corvette filter/regulator.
    So, I just swapped on a return style fuel rail.

    Is there any changes that need to be made to the tune for this?
    I don't know enough or how to tell if an '03 (or the os I'm using) was return style or returnless style.
    Tony
    Looking to buy TunerCat OBDII
    '88 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka Babywag) and '90 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka JUNKbucket) both fuel injected
    '94 Caprice Wagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by babywag View Post
    Next question....fuel system

    The engine came w/ an '05 intake and returnless fuel rail. I didn't want to use the 'spensive corvette filter/regulator.
    So, I just swapped on a return style fuel rail.

    Is there any changes that need to be made to the tune for this?
    I don't know enough or how to tell if an '03 (or the os I'm using) was return style or returnless style.
    Form what I can tell in the Vehicle Platform Options, the '03 OS does not show any options for fuel delivery.

    dave w

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    Looks like '04 is when they switched? All the '04 and later files I checked are different for injector flow.
    So looks like I'm ok using the '03 stuff, and don't need to change anything?
    Tony
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    '88 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka Babywag) and '90 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (aka JUNKbucket) both fuel injected
    '94 Caprice Wagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by babywag View Post
    Looks like '04 is when they switched? All the '04 and later files I checked are different for injector flow.
    So looks like I'm ok using the '03 stuff, and don't need to change anything?
    I agree.

    dave w

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