Memcal eBay and Software Scams

[Six_Shooter]

this must be one of his friends I need to learn this mask it self tunes and will give you maximum amount of horsepower when I start adding parts to my engine
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PERFORMANCE-...item19d87e4d63

I don't see that as a self tuning chip, being advertised, but that when you change parts, it changes how the car reacts, and this person or people can tune the chip to account for those changes.

I wouldn't worry too much about that disc of tuning software, he's selling Tuner Pro V4, and he can't even spell Crome correctly. Also Crome only works for so long, when it IS registered, it has an expiring registration, that you need to renew every year or two, pretty lame and why I haven't got into tuning Hondas. There is a free version, but has limited capability.

[RobertISaar]

i think every software that was listed is something that has at least a trial/free version out there...

still kind of a dickish move, but aldlcable.com includes a lot of the same on their disks when you purchase a cable.

[EagleMark]

Speaking of dickish moves... one add bashs Moates for there burn equiptment and chips, then another add has their adapter and chips?

[Tunedperformance]

I don't see that as a self tuning chip, being advertised, but that when you change parts, it changes how the car reacts, and this person or people can tune the chip to account for those changes.

I wouldn't worry too much about that disc of tuning software, he's selling Tuner Pro V4, and he can't even spell Crome correctly. Also Crome only works for so long, when it IS registered, it has an expiring registration, that you need to renew every year or two, pretty lame and why I haven't got into tuning Hondas. There is a free version, but has limited capability.

he pretty good to correct for engine changes, I have to see a log to do it. wonder what sort of magic software he uses for this.

[Six_Shooter]

he pretty good to correct for engine changes, I have to see a log to do it. wonder what sort of magic software he uses for this.

Well, there's certain changes that can be made to account for mechanical changes with a safe tune, meaning it won't be to max potential like we strive for here.

Don't knock people without knowing all the details, there are people that can do this. There is also the idea that maybe, just maybe they have a huge repertoire of bin files, that have been known to work with certain combinations, and bins can be pulled from there.

[Tunedperformance]

I would just be really interesting to order a tune from him for a given modified application and see what you get. I have been helping a guy jimsperformance in my opinion got ripped off. It was for a 383 stroker mild cam 30 #hr injectors. jim sent him a v6 memcal no cylinder select turned off the esc code and made pe come on real soon. He also did the wiring for the truck thats using a 427 for trans control only. I don't see why it wasnt set to just the 427. No response back to the guy how has spend thousands on his truck and it has been sitting for 6 month because he got messed over. The truck pings like crazy and runs crazy rich. That to me is a scammer

[EagleMark]

Well, there's certain changes that can be made to account for mechanical changes with a safe tune, meaning it won't be to max potential like we strive for here.

Don't knock people without knowing all the details, there are people that can do this. There is also the idea that maybe, just maybe they have a huge repertoire of bin files, that have been known to work with certain combinations, and bins can be pulled from there.

I have several bins for several motor builds for several ECM/PCM. But they are starter tunes, just makes it easier. Have done 2 identical motor builds that were off by 10%. Have yet to see a perfect tune for a motor without doing it with logs, even then it gets better in person.

I would just be really interesting to order a tune from him for a given modified application and see what you get. I have been helping a guy jimsperformance in my opinion got ripped off. It was for a 383 stroker mild cam 30 #hr injectors. jim sent him a v6 memcal no cylinder select turned off the esc code and made pe come on real soon. He also did the wiring for the truck thats using a 427 for trans control only. I don't see why it wasnt set to just the 427. No response back to the guy how has spend thousands on his truck and it has been sitting for 6 month because he got messed over. The truck pings like crazy and runs crazy rich. That to me is a scammer

There's so much of this going on to differant degrees it's hard to comprehend.

[Six_Shooter]

I never said a mail order could be perfect, in fact I said the opposite, but what people can do, and have done for decades, is create safe tunes, that many customers are happy with, even though there is still improvement to be made.

[brianko]

I ordered one of those cheapo ELM-based OBD-2 cables off Amazon, and got a little CD that had a crapload of software on it, including a key generator for ScanMaster. Oh, and a directory of porn. Had to wash my hands after seeing that. Did get the cable to work on a demo copy of ScanMaster downloaded from their site, but the cable won't work with anything else. Oh well...might just send some cash to the ScanMaster guys, their software looks pretty sharp.

[1project2many]

I never said a mail order could be perfect, in fact I said the opposite, but what people can do, and have done for decades, is create safe tunes, that many customers are happy with, even though there is still improvement to be made.

That's called an OEM tune. ;)

[Six_Shooter]

:facepalm: You guys are missing what I'm saying.

[1project2many]

Actually, it seemed clear enough to me.

I'm not arguing against you. I'm pointing out to others here that what you're describing is done every day by the OEMs. They make a safe tune that trades maximum performance for consistency and reliability. Whether the calibration is provided by GM or by someone else, it can achieve the same effect. If the OEM cals can do it why assume no one else can? Although the wording in the linked auction didn't leave me with the impression the guy's a master tuner, he might be a genius with engines but a real flop writing Ebay auction text.

[bentrod]

The best thing you can do to stop him from making money is undercut him on ebay with much lower buy it nows.

I have done this before. There was a guy taking an open source audio processing program, changed the branding, and selling it on ebay for $9.99 (successfully). As a contributer to the project at the time, I was annoyed. So I made a bunch of buy it nows for $0.49 then sent people the bins and used the $0.49 to pay ebay fees.

After a few weeks he stopped selling the program, but I assume he went on to scamming other people for other things instead.

I no longer have an ebay account because of the ridiculous way they force paypal on it's users. However if I did, I would surely make a bunch of listings. Then when the people win, tell them that I "lost" the physical memcal but will help them in any reasonable way possible get their car up and running for no cost, because all of the info is available on this site for free :D....along with exposing that other guy's scam.

[EagleMark]

I remember when eBay was an auction site! Worked pretty well. Now it's just a waste of time to find an auction, fees are incredible, PayPal is like a hostle takeover of your money, may be able to still show a profit on big stuff but the fees eat up any profit of small stuff. I've tried a couiple times in last few years after I gave up there, still the same, to many fees, to much hassle, no auctions and if you place an auction it will sell for next to nothing because no one goes there looking for auctions anymore. It's just a store.

They sure messed up a good auction site!

[1project2many]

"How to make millions on Ebay"

P1 Follow same formula as everyone else and hope for different results.