1228747 C.A.T.S. vs TunerPro difference in ECM Mask / *.xdf file??????

[NakedAuto]

Hey Guys,
I'm hoping someone can chime in here that might have solved this dilemma already...

I have both C.A.T.S. RT Tuner and TunerPro RT on my computer (and yes, both paid for , gotta give 'em the support they deserve guys!!) and a 1228747 program that I am working with. I bought the $4F ECU Mask file from TunerCat, and downloaded the $4F-1228747-V1.xdf file from this site.
My question is this: The Main VE table (super-duper, highly important) in CATS pulls in values completely differently than in TunerPro from the same BIN file. Now, I would think that the file I paid for was researched a little better, but I know better than that, lol. The VE table looks smoother and more realistic to me in CATS also. So I was going with that one as the one to work with. EXCEPT... the TunerPro version shows some really weird dropouts in the file, and the engine runs really rough at points then clears up then runs rough again. So that actually makes a little bit of sense to be the accuraet one. (TunerPro shows these weird dropouts even in a stock BIN pull though, which doesn't really compute...)
I am inclined to think (at the moment at least) that the smoother VE table shown in CATS is the correct mask, and that I have something else going on with this particular engine.

Sooo, has anyone else noticed this weirdness??

-Darren

[NakedAuto]

Here's a screenshot that shows the difference:
MainVEtables_Compare.jpg

[gregs78cam]

Looks to me like one of them is pulling the values from the wrong locations. They should be exactly the same, unless the parameters are pointed at different locations. TunerPro is easy to check, TunerCats....??????, I don't know.

[1project2many]

Look carefully. The values are correct. The positions are not. Tunerpro 1st rpm row = Tunercat 1st column. With main VE table selected in TP parameter tree, press F2 to edit parameters. In General settings, change major order from row to column and click apply. Now the numbers across the two tables match. Question is which orientation is correct. Also notice that TP has rpm as 0 through 4800 while TC has rpm 400 through 5200. Again, which is correct.

Answer is simple. $4F disassembly matches TC. RPM values are listed as 400 through 5200. Using AKWH, 20 kPa entries should begin with 33.2% and increase to 58.59%.

Corrected TP definition (ver 1.1) is now in the 8747 info thread.
http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...2&d=1353391682

Now for that all important payment. Whatcha workin on? ;)

[EagleMark]

Nice work guys!

[NakedAuto]

Look carefully. The values are correct. The positions are not. Tunerpro 1st rpm row = Tunercat 1st column. With main VE table selected in TP parameter tree, press F2 to edit parameters. In General settings, change major order from row to column and click apply. Now the numbers across the two tables match. Question is which orientation is correct. Also notice that TP has rpm as 0 through 4800 while TC has rpm 400 through 5200. Again, which is correct.

Answer is simple. $4F disassembly matches TC. RPM values are listed as 400 through 5200. Using AKWH, 20 kPa entries should begin with 33.2% and increase to 58.59%.

Corrected TP definition (ver 1.1) is now in the 8747 info thread.
http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...2&d=1353391682

Now for that all important payment. Whatcha workin on? ;)

Just loaded up the new XDF file you made, awesome job!!! It never occurred to me that the values were the same, just located differently in the table, nice catch there! (I think I had been looking at it too long to see something so simple!! Lol) Anyways, I'm stoked to be able to use TunerPro for this now! Thank you so much!!

As far as what I'm working on:
The Engine:
Small Block Chevy
Eagle Crank, GM Rods, Speed Pro Pistons, Total Seal Rings, 0.030" over
AFR Street Vortec Heads 2.02/1.60 valves, Edelbrock Performer RPM Intake Manifold
Comp Cams full Roller Cam Conversion (0.513"/0.498" lift, 283/303 duration, 107 deg. LSA - Mild Thumpr Cam), Roller Rockers

The TBI:
1989 1228747 GM computer, Big Block Throttle Body, bored out as big as it can get, Big Block #5235231 fuel injectors, and around 28 psi fuel pressure at the moment

The Car:
1951 Cadillac 4-door, Original Green/Rust petina paint, polished stainless/chrome trim, Ridler Flat Black 20" Wheels, Nitto Tires...


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Thanks again!! :) -Darren

[1project2many]

The Car:
1951 Cadillac 4-door, Original Green/Rust petina paint, polished stainless/chrome trim, Ridler Flat Black 20" Wheels, Nitto Tires...

Awesome. Very cool. That is why I love this forum.

[EagleMark]

Oh that's sweet!

When I saw your engine build specs I got worried at the ECM/Mask you chose, but took a look at it and someone has done a really good job there... besides 1project2many. Has all the right stuff like $42 and a way better Fuel VE table. The only thing that worries me with a motor like that is there is no ESC Done patch for that mask. May experiance some big knock during the test? There is a hack though so may be able to reduce spark for test or?