I must be in Waaay over my head

[MadMikeZ28]

then we usually log for afr errors outside of power enrichment (cruise areas, light load) and tune to correct the errors and hit the fueling targets (whether that be a maf or ve table or injector constant, all those modify fueling output)

I never logged with the AFR gauge input into the data log. I asked the person tuning how to do so as if memory serves me, my AEM gauge has an output for do that. He informed me that people usually delete the EGR and use that portion of the data stream. I need my EGR so I asked about eliminating the EGR diagnostic (the temp sensor on the EGR valve). In so many words he just told me it was more complicated than I think. Which may be true.

I think he just tuned by watching the BLM. And I think he got it done pretty good that way as the AFR gauge would be around 14.7 at idle and part throttle cruising. But as I mentioned in previous post, that was done during the valve train failing. Valve train fixed now. Running lean now and I need to fix that.

[MadMikeZ28]

That is incredibly peculiar. If it were my car, the next thing I'd do is check error codes. If it's throwing an ECM PROM Fault error code then I know something's super wrong with the BIN and/or chip and can stop diagnostics there.

If it's not throwing that code, next thing I'd do is isolate all devices connected to the D11 pin to make sure nothing external is commanding the fans to turn on. If that didn't resolve the fan issue, I'd then check the ALDL datastream to see if the ECM is indeed commanding the fan or not (if it is not commanding the fan and the fan is coming on anyway, then either the XDF has the setting inverted, or there's a short-circuit across the fan relay).

I drive this car (1989 Camaro Tuned Port 350 automatic). It is when I try those bins you provided (and the ARAR I got from this forum) is no start and fans on. I put those bins on the same Memcals that I use when I drive the car. The car starts and fans operate normal when I tried your suggestion of adjusting the Max Spark and Inj sizes. But I did that to the stock bin which I got from reading my stock Memcal.

My tuner told me there was something backwards about the Corvette bin. I assumed it was just that flag Fan N/O. Maybe there are other things. Maybe he used my stock bin and ARAP timing tables as a start point. Maybe he used the Hypertech bin as I do recall mailing that Memcal to him becuase he wanted to read it.

[NomakeWan]

I hope he didn't use the Hypertech bin. Hypertech everything is hacky trash.

I'm not blaming you here; I'm just saying that if it were my car and that were happening, I'd run through a few diagnostic steps to be sure I knew where the problem was, that's all.

I do wish you the best of luck getting this sorted.

[MadMikeZ28]

I don't think he used the Hypertech bin. He was making me tunes before I mailed that memcal to him.

I know you're not blaming me. But if my reading lamp has a 40watt bulb and it is too dim to read by. I take that bulb out and put a 60watt in and it does not work. To continue using the lamp I put the 40watt back in. I am not going to go check the breaker, pull the outlet to check the wires and disassemble the lamp to diagnose why the 60watt bulb did not work.

I am assuming you got the ARAP as well as the whacky ARAR bin from this forum? I think there may be fault in that ARAP bin as well. Looking at your signature, 90-95 Corvettes. I am thinking you did not test these bins.

I noticed there are more fan settings in the scalers, I think is where I saw them. I think it was on and off temps with ac on and ac off. I compared those. But I think there may be some other setting im not seeing.
Like Fan vs The Mole People or something.

I do have the stock bin off my memcal, the hypertech and numerous bins from my tuner since he started having me burn my own memcals. I will just pick one and go in blind to see if I can make something work.

I do appreciate the help though. Taught me more about some of the tuning than my tuner did. I do appreciate his efforts as well. I helped him with advice and procedures with mechanical and provided some items as well. He helped me a lot with my tune. I may have been fine if it were not for the valve spring issue and his giving up on me.

[stew86MCSS396]

The mere fact that your fans kick on at key on, tells me there's something wrong with the EPROM. Telltale sign would be a rapid flashing SES light. I don't think it's the bins on this forum but perhaps something you might be doing wrong burning the bin onto the EPROM. Maybe I'm too lazy to read all the back post but have you shared which burner you're using as well as which E/EPROMS you're using??? Could be something as simple as using the wrong offsets or inserting the EPROMS into the burner wrong. Could be you're not erasing the EPROMS and doing a blank check. Idk I'm not there and can't see what you're doing.

[MadMikeZ28]

I am using Flash & burn with a burn 2. I also shared what eproms I am using. That is how another member explained and cleared up bin stacking for me.

I am using a couple modified OEM memcals and a Hypertech Memcal as they have a prom socket in them. That one I removed the Hypertech prom from and inserted a SST. (27sc512 I think it is). And I have been erasing and burning to these for over 4 years now.
AND I also burned the given tune to a second Memcal to eliminate that it is the Memcal itself. I got the same no start fan on results.

As another member mentioned, the ARAR bin from this forum looked whacky. I concur with that as some of it looked off to me when comparing with multiple other bins. If one bin found here can be at fault, so can others.

I have put one of my own bins back onto a Memcal and am using as this time. There is a telltale sign that the problem in not with my Memcal.

Its not like I need either of the Corvette bins that i found here. I just thought since I installed a cam and aluminum heads on my Camaro, start off with a bin from another aluminum head TPI motor.

[steveo]

how about read your original bin off the chip
then read the one you flashed off the chip that 'turns the fans on'
important to post the read versions rather than the originals you wrote so we see the offsets and ensure they programmed properly
post them both here and lets have a look and figure out what went wrong

[MadMikeZ28]

I really don't want to spend a lot of time on this. Any spare time I need to spend working on the lean condition. Not diagnosing bins that are not working.

If someone wants to compare,

The last bin came from Post #8. I read this and changed the name to add "read" so it is not confused with the bin from post 8.

One thing I did notice. When burning and verifying, normally that is a quick operation. Always has been with all the bins I have burned. This bin i noticed went a bit slower in both burn and verify. Not like a minute, but twice as log a normal. Or what has been normal for me. Which was just a couple of seconds.