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    Looks pretty good, but you still have a dip at about 3600 rpm and 85 kpa. for a givin rpm cell as kpa increases ve should also, or stay the same, but not go down.
    Glad you are on your way. Always nice to see improvement
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralmo94 View Post
    Looks pretty good, but you still have a dip at about 3600 rpm and 85 kpa. for a givin rpm cell as kpa increases ve should also, or stay the same, but not go down.
    Glad you are on your way. Always nice to see improvement
    I guess that's because I didn't log that high in rpm. I made changes to smooth those areas out and will log tomorrow by running the engine at those rpm ranges. I'll just have to limit the transmission to 2nd.

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    I would recommend starting with the highest value you have in that rpm range and add maybe 10% at the highest kpa and adjust the connecting cells until the graph looks smooth. Then log it and see how far off you are. The more linier your table is, the better off you will be.
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    Today I logged and got pretty good results. I was able to get it higher up in the rpm range by keeping it in 2nd gear. So at this point do I just turn back on the MAF? Do I need to adjust anything for Open Loop since that's what Chuck tuned? Under Open Loop I see a "Ratio of Air to Fuel for Stoichiometry" set to 1.07. Is that normal cause it seems rather low?
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    Was turning on MAF back on in Universal Patcher and noticed something called Lean Cruise P59 2001. I applied this patch. Does this give me lean cruise mode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukenukemx View Post
    Was turning on MAF back on in Universal Patcher and noticed something called Lean Cruise P59 2001. I applied this patch. Does this give me lean cruise mode?
    I'm not sure if that one makes it active or just so you can use it. THe other patch turns it on with all the stock settings from Holden cars.
    I would not recomend turning LC on until you are done tuning. Still Have to log with MAF on and see how it does. You may have to tune MAF table.
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    It Looks a lot Better I wouldn't close the book just yet though. For instance, In 105 kpa fields, there are values less than 100 kpa field for a given RPM starting at 3200 rpm. I would touch up these areas first, They should be greater than 100kpa values. More load means more fuel. At this point being this close with your VE, I wouldn't change anything with Stoich values. 1.07 sounds like an EQ ratio. Hit [F10] button to show parameter comments. If you change the target ratio, you through off the whole VE table.
    and Everything else.

    You can also change target to -2 or so, in trimalyzer. I personally would try to get all negatives before turning MAF back on. I bet the car is running really nice now.
    Remember That when you turn the MAF on, you are pretty much done with VE, cause I don't believe you have the capability to log how it determines Air Mass, Weather SD or MAF. I would log a couple times and see results I am satisfied with makeing no changes, before I close the book, Unless in a time crunch, It's your car, might as well get it as good as you can. FWI you can also use universal patcher to add a lean cruise patch when you are done that applies all stock settings from the holden cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralmo94 View Post
    It Looks a lot Better I wouldn't close the book just yet though. For instance, In 105 kpa fields, there are values less than 100 kpa field for a given RPM starting at 3200 rpm. I would touch up these areas first, They should be greater than 100kpa values. More load means more fuel. At this point being this close with your VE, I wouldn't change anything with Stoich values. 1.07 sounds like an EQ ratio. Hit [F10] button to show parameter comments. If you change the target ratio, you through off the whole VE table.
    and Everything else.
    Thanks, it certainly smells better. I'll take another look at those fields as it wasn't as smooth as I'd like it. At this point it's a lot of manual adjustments
    You can also change target to -2 or so, in trimalyzer. I personally would try to get all negatives before turning MAF back on. I bet the car is running really nice now.
    I didn't know I could do that. I'll do that next before turning on MAF then.
    Remember That when you turn the MAF on, you are pretty much done with VE, cause I don't believe you have the capability to log how it determines Air Mass, Weather SD or MAF. I would log a couple times and see results I am satisfied with makeing no changes, before I close the book, Unless in a time crunch, It's your car, might as well get it as good as you can. FWI you can also use universal patcher to add a lean cruise patch when you are done that applies all stock settings from the holden cars.
    So Holden cars have lean cruise on by default? Lucky Australians. :)

    I'm not sure if that one makes it active or just so you can use it. THe other patch turns it on with all the stock settings from Holden cars.
    I would not recomend turning LC on until you are done tuning. Still Have to log with MAF on and see how it does. You may have to tune MAF table.
    Does turning it on give me a Stoich table that I can adjust based on intake pressure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukenukemx View Post
    Does turning it on give me a Stoich table that I can adjust based on intake pressure?
    Turning on MAF does just that turns on the MAF, so air mass calculations are measured by the MAF, instead of calced by VE table, that's simple terms, stock is a balance hybrid blended mode that blends measured MAF with VE.

    Stoichiometric is the ratio of fuel that has the most combustion heat and burns the most of both fuel and air. Rich is left over fuel to burn more air, lean is more air to more completely burn fuel.

    In closed loop, your target is always stoich, that's all narrow o2's know, stoich, rich or lean. To go LC, or Power enrichment, it is open loop.
    You can go open loop and run whater ratio you want, with open loop afr table. It looks more like a ve table.

    Open loop calculations are based off off the stoich value.

    Hope all that makes sense?
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