Having problems connecting via ALDL with 8625 PCM

Back sometime ago, I asked a similar question and Dave W provided an answer which was to move ALDL wire from Pin E to Pin M. I recently did this by cutting the wire and attaching male and female connectors. The net effect has been "no go". I have access to a SnapOn MODIS scanner and the resulting message is unable to connect/communicate. I am not able to read anything which signifies no connection.

I am running a self-made ECM-to-PCM adapter between my stock harness and an 8625 PCM. Any thoughts/suggestions?

I would take a second look at the ALDL wiring. The '8625 only uses 3 wires to the ALDL; pin A, pin B, and pin M. Remove the unused wires from the ALDL.

It sometimes causes confusion with scan tools, select a 1993 '8625 $E6 vehicle by make / model / year / engine / trans. For example 1993 / GMC / K1500 / 5.7 liter / 4l60E Vin code K. The vehicle you choose might need to be different if your using $OD, $OE, or $31.

dave w

Happy New Year to you Dave W!

Thank you for responding and providing the insight to using a scanner. The main reason I used connectors versus pulling and re-positioning the unused ALDL wires is I could not remove the white, plastic retaining clip. Do you have a gimmick or know of a method to remove the clip without obliterating it? Thanks in advance.

One option would be to get an ALDL connector from a salvage yard vehicle that has Pins A, B, & C, to replace the existing ALDL connector. Remembering to connect old Pin E to new Pin M.

dave w

Dave,

Am I correct to interpret your response to say there is no easy way to remove the retaining clip without damage? Okay. To ease my salvage yard adventures and search, are OBDI connectors limited to only GM manufactured vehicles in specific years or did other automakers also install them?

Yes, GM only. Most all 1990 - 1995 (except maybe some 1995 LT1 GM vehicles) Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Chevy, GMC, and even Cadillac will have the OBD1 ALDL connector with pins A, B, & M. Chevy and GMC pickups starting in 1993. I'm betting your going to be able to find what you need at any salvage yard that has domestic GM vehicles 1990 - 1995 You will likely never ever have a such an easy and readily available salvage part to search for again!!!:laugh:

dave w

Thanks DaveW. I hope you are right about my search being an easy one. Unfortunately, being in the middle of the Pacific, that sometimes may not be true.

Is the wiring actually different between the ALDL and the square OBDII?

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Originally Posted by 57 Handyman

Is the wiring actually different between the ALDL and the square OBDII?

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OBDII started in 1996, and has different wiring.

OBDI ALDL with 160 Baud will use Pin E.
OBDI ALDL with 8192 Baud will use Pin M.

Generally GM passenger cars started using OBD1 ALDL Pin M with 8192 Baud in 1990.
Generally GM Light Trucks started using OBD1 ALDL Pin M with 8192 Baud in 1993.

The 16168625 computer is OBDI ALDL Pin M with 8192 Baud.

I'm very fortunate to live in an area with several salvage yards close by. I sometimes overlook that some members are not nearly as fortunate with salvage yard selection as I am. What is likely less than a 5 minute part search in a salvage where I live, could be a nightmare to find for some members.

dave w

is a 16144288 ecm a 8192 baud?

Happy New Year, Anthony!

From all that I've read and am aware, 4288's are S_LL_OOO_WWWW at 160 baud. The difference in processing speeds between black connectors ECMs and red/blue PCMs was my main reason for opting to go 8625 PCM. However, the side-track foray we took with the 7747 ECM was beneficial to determine the sensors and existing systems, i.e., ignition, fuel pump/relay/regulator, etc. were operating properly.

handy is your calpac for a v6/4.3? I have one for a 427 pcm but it is a 4.3 std trans if you need it.

Thanks for the offer, Anthony. If I remember correctly, my 8625 was from a '93 4.3L Sierra. Yes, it does have a memcal with .bin chip and netres.

DaveW, thanks for the information. Rather than cutting the wires and isolating Pins A, B, and E via M location, I fashioned separate jumper wires to connect the ALDL to the AutoProm. I'm now able to emulate.

Hey guys,

I'm trying to get my 4.3L S-10 setup in order to take it out of the shop. But before I can put it on the road, my truck has to pass Hawaii's auto safety check program. Consequently, I need to get it to a minimum acceptable operating point. Would anyone of you be able to give me some tips on what I could do to this tune.

The data log was made driving around the hobby shop parking lot several times. Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by 57 Handyman

Hey guys,

I'm trying to get my 4.3L S-10 setup in order to take it out of the shop. But before I can put it on the road, my truck has to pass Hawaii's auto safety check program. Consequently, I need to get it to a minimum acceptable operating point. Would anyone of you be able to give me some tips on what I could do to this tune.

The data log was made driving around the hobby shop parking lot several times. Thanks in advance.

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I'm not familiar with Hawaii's Safety Check Program, is there an emission test with the safety checks?

Fixing any EFI error codes is a good plan.

If the 4.3 is still factory stock, a basic tune up should be all that is required to get the engine running good. Basic mechanical checks for service parts like belts, hoses, and fresh fluids are a good plan.

If the engine is factory stock and there is an emission test, a new Oxygen Sensor would be a good plan in addition to a basic tune up.

Verifying the EFI sensors are operating normally with TunerPro RT is a good plan also.

dave w

handyman I got your package of goodes, my wife is coming back up here this month we will open them then thanks. I looked at your bin and data logs changed closed throttle timming table a little and shut the egr code off I forgot to set the idle up to700-750 I use cats tuner but I didn't have a definition file for your bin file.set the timming up about where rpms and map is running at idle. look at the closed throttle timming table and it will give you an idea about tunning. it should idle a little better. once you get things close you can use smooth in tp to smooth out the different tables.

Dave W,

Our safety check program does not include emissions and “attempts” to ensure all vehicles can safely operate. Inspectors look at tire condition, braking function, lights, tint, mechanical performance-engine and trans, etc. Last time I checked (via counting CEL flashes), the majority of codes relate to AC and trans operations; these I can address at a later time. I did resolve a previous knock sensor code by switching to a KS6; base on your information.

The 4.3 is slightly modified: .020 overbore, flat-top pistons, Marine cam (approx. .400 lift exh/int), 1.6 roller rockers, ‘96 Vortec heads, Edelbrock 2114 intake with carb-to-TBI 1 inch adapter, and shorty headers. This truck is a 4x4 with a 700r4 trans and will be used for parts pickup/delivery as well as some daily driving. Not a hot rod but a project for occasional cruz nights.

By and large, all of the EFI sensors are operating properly and have been replaced/are new--including O2 sensor.

My plan is to get the safety check and get the truck back on the road where I will be able to do a better job of data logging the engine performance. I realize driving around the parking lot driving is not adequate ��.

Thanks,
Blaine

Hey Anthony,

Thanks for taking a look at the .bin and modding it. I will burn it to a PROM and give it a shot. I'm sure your changes will make a difference.

Glad the package arrived; I had been tracking it and surprised it wasn't there last weekend. Guess, the weather had an impact even if postal service says..."neither rain nor snow" will deter them from completing their daily rounds...:innocent:

bkt

Guys,

What is causing the ALDL connection to cut out intermittently, thus, we loose whatever data and info? Sometimes, the connection returns on its own but at other times, a shutdown and restart of TPRT is required. This really is a big PIA! I've seen threads on TGO site but it seems to apply to $58 and $59 masks. What ECM/PCMs do these masks apply to because I have not been able to find copies.

Here is another question. How should the transition between open and closed throttle in the VE tables be handled? Should they be the same when the PCM transitions from one table to the other?

Guys,

Today, we did some fiddling with the latest bin after which I decided to take a chance and drive the truck on a short jaunt on the streets and parking lot of the complex. This was the first time the truck has been outside the hobby shop since the restoration project began over 6 years ago. Although illegal, the short road trip was an opportunity to test how the rebuilt 700r4 trans shifted up through the gears as well as to test the upgraded rear disc brakes. The results of both were good and also provided a lengthy data log which I've attached.

starting to look good, you may want to raise closed throttle timming 22.5 on up to 55 map.you may have a weak usb cable or socket in your pc, that may be why it has data lose some times. I have worn out both cables and sockets. once I reinstalled tp and fixed the problem of intermiten data.:wtg: :jfj:

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Originally Posted by 54 chevy

Hi Dave

I'm John I have a 54 Chevrolet 3100 pickup. I've installed a 350/5.7 engine in it; I'm trying to find DataStream Definition for a 16188051 PCM. Do you know what that Definition might be? If so, would you please share it.

Thanks,
John

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http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...rmation-EE-EEB

and

http://fbodytech.com/eex-tunerpro-definition/

dave w