Moates sst27sf512 price increase

[Tunedperformance]

Hello all, I contacted Moates to see why there was a drastic increase in the sst27sf512.
Now $9ea . There supply is running low so get them while you can.
They are not sure what other alternatives will work with the burn programmer.

[PlayingWithTBI]

I bough a 5 pack on Amazon some time in Jan IIRC for $25. Looks like they're still available. I think this is the same source I bought them from.

https://www.amazon.com/27SF512-EEPROM-Computer-Nissan-Tuning/dp/B00RMJ8JOQ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=SST+27SF512&qid=1574887999&sr=8-1

[Tunedperformance]

Thank you for the link, looks like a better option than Moates.

[dave w]

SST stopped production of the 27SF512 chips several years ago, maybe a decade ago. Most "substitute / counterfeit" 27SF512 chips will not work with the Moates.net Burn 2.

I've had ZERO ISSUES using "substitute / counterfeit" 27SF512 chips using the Batronix BX32 chip programmer.

https://www.batronix.com/shop/programmer/BX32/eprom-programmer.html

The BX32 is ULTRA overkill and ULTRA expensive for a one time EFI project. I use the BX32 for many different kinds of chips, including the older TBI 2732 type chips.

The "substitute / counterfeit" 27SF512 chips are very very reliable and work / fit / function like the original SST 27SF512.

Truth be known - many of the electronics we use daily have "substitute / counterfeit" chips.

dave w

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[Tunedperformance]

Thanks Dave

[donf]

I have some chips from china for mine mixed in with originals that are about 15 years old. They may be counterfeit but I had no problems at all with burn2 and the two years I had my van. I think I got 4 for $8 a few years ago. It was through ebay so if they were junk I would do a "not as described" chargeback. They were fine. I think moates may be hyping the problem to make more money, then after they sell out, find "another" stash of chips that work fine.

[Tunedperformance]

Thanks donf, that’s a good idea to dispute the chips if the are faulty. Moates clam that they will burn but just one time.
I did get some chips on eBay from a USA seller so I’m set for awhile.

[donf]

The one I had in my van must have had at least 75 program cycles, just messing with little stuff most of the time. I looked at the usa sellers product. Looks exactly like the fakes I bought myself from china for less than 1/3 the price. I think this USA scam has been going on for years. My original chips were used and came with my used moats stuff a long time ago. They look much different than the chips available now from any country. All this scare is doing is helping someone pad their bank account. There may have been a time when the fake chips were one use only, but its long past that.

[dave w]

The 27SF512 has variants, namely the speed 70-C3 vs 90-C3. The replica (MTP) chips with 90-C3 speed usually work with the Burn 2. The replica (MTP) chips with 70-C3 speed usually don't work with the Burn 2.

dave w

[c5wagner]

I've been using Winbond W27C512 chips for a while now, most of the fake SST 27sf512 chips on ebay are the winbond chips re-labeled. The big problem is if you have the Moates programmer as it only "supports" the SST chips for erasing and programming.... I have the MCUmall GQ-4x so I can flash either and even flash the stock chips after erasing them with the UV light.

[donf]

The big problem is if you have the Moates programmer as it only "supports" the SST chips for erasing and programming..

I got my "fake SST" chips direct from China Sept 2017. They work fine with Moates Burn2. The only time I ever had a problem was when i plugged the chip in wrong. So my fault not the chips. I erased and burned each one three times as a check, then put the one I sold with my van into use and burned and reburned that so many times I can not even keep track. Maybe I hit the jackpot of fake chip suppliers but I doubt it. If you buy on eBay and check them when you receive them I don't see the problem using them with Burn2 as any defects can be disputed. If a seller has a large amount of hassles with a product, it will show in their feedback. Either way the buyer is protected. I read all the warnings and fear spreading, and it turned out to be bogus for my needs as the China chip worked every bit as good as the originals. I guess it was 5 chips for 6 dollars and some change plus free shipping.

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[donf]

I looked up the exact seller I purchased from over 2 years ago. He does not sell the 5 pack any more but he offers a 10. Not sure if its the same supplier after all this time, but the ones I got work fine with the burn2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/10Pcs-SST27SF512-EPROM-70-3C-PG-DIP-28-SST27SF512-70-3C-PG/173591184856

[Tunedperformance]

Wow, awesome price. Just ordered some to try.

[donf]

Just curious if the chips the sellers offering now were working as well as the ones I purchased two years ago? He seems to be selling a ton of them and still holds 100% feedback.

[Tunedperformance]

So far so good, they seem to require a few erases before reprogram. Other than that I’m satisfied. The other thing I’ve noticed is the legs on the chip are lighter material than moates easier to Bend into a dip socket.

[donf]

Sounds like they cheaped out since I purchased then, but are still usable. Mine erases the first time. The only problems I had was when I put the pins in the programmer wrong. Once I realized that it was a smooth erase and reprogram.

[84Elky]

Tuned - Which chips did you get & where? Do you believe compatibility with Burn2 also applies to the AutoProm (APU1).
Tks, Elky

[Tunedperformance]

I would think if it works with a burn 1 or 2
it should work on a autoprom.
worth the risk just takes awhile to receive.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/10Pcs-SST27SF512-EPROM-70-3C-PG-DIP-28-SST27SF512-70-3C-PG/173591184856?hash=item286ad745d8:g:cYkAAOSwlJBbxYH B

[c5wagner]

I would think if it works with a burn 1 or 2
it should work on a autoprom.
worth the risk just takes awhile to receive.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/10Pcs-SST27SF512-EPROM-70-3C-PG-DIP-28-SST27SF512-70-3C-PG/173591184856?hash=item286ad745d8:g:cYkAAOSwlJBbxYH B
These are the original brand of the knockoff SST27sf512 chips at a better price. They just falsely relabel them as I found out with my programmer that checks ID's of chips.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-W27C512-45Z-W27C512-DIP28/323799992062?hash=item4b63fbc6fe:g:pU0AAOSwuXxc0T6 y

[c5wagner]

Here you can see all of them side by side. Genuine SST27sf512 on top, fake SST that is a relabeled Windbond in middle, and an original winbond w27c512 on the bottom. Might as well get them with the correct label instead of mixing them up.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7-1GbqZFNm9qWwmHEem3T7ZEmXmfqCNsLjnWrMK-R0WA3SjEfVEIu7gWrIcOOUMsh8pOtqZGpNwDL-F2ZHedYCTWeFaX4o4qoTgVHer2pTkiskRyVOpwZRYpGB8rHHUI DH0FQzoDsOGRKjWVSjBzN9PAvPlHyw1_Ld78-5t_onjxHYN_FPyS2Ey9yP_JiE7EOpJDqTeHqBsBRi6t-QURVfkLyIUgfGzU0GsJdRBQ5QoeHaZARBmNm_Smp_yaQHZN4am wRguzx1FaUQf8_eMu8Fe05hE82TQDVLj425w3yamRqi_LBcddv BPHGOQLTolNLhrvVPzKvStDJ3dzgUI0DU_ebsqBFc9JSQ1Ffg4 QSHarOymwLWgf4hbOqrQCOAgA8iPTLLCGagw93VMxjAMQCpqcn ceFibSbQFAD8dUckulzEdWvnIPNKN02k8MZIU3tXwf4allxkfV 8qU0k7vhe0f_wVfaozChR8PPFatiJajdIM5VUECx-ssQDeKvk_P6rMrVRzpFxtEI4Kv5ZNyaQjwaVwUg8WpA0klN_VC 3tGBinLZmPBCbPBWG_oYp3EvMH2jcahEDMv9GfwXgd8BzgUZet cKfo9lBKfsuYgH-VIlCbpFiWfha9ysuf1CVuyFYFQf9vqGaXl461I2fhyjDKOUpYI 58K40ytqulrSuIENKbPdspuWSn92qY=w546-h969-no

[Tunedperformance]

Looks like moates no longer will carry the sst eeprom

[ralmo94]

Looks like moates no longer will carry the sst eeprom

No more 27sf512?
Glad I just bought a couple

[Tunedperformance]

http://www.moates.net/c2-sst-27sf512-chip-discontinued-p-39.html

Glad I got a few too

[dave w]

The original manufacture of the SST 27SF512 ended production more than a decade ago. https://honda-tech.com/forums/engine-management-tuning-124/sst27sf512-70-3c-pge-showing-obsolete-do-several-other-chips-what-now-2721381/ Additional Google searches show similar results http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?35414-27sf512-chips-obsolete

The Moates.net Burn 2 has limited chip burning capabilities. Often the "clones / fake chips" from Winbond and other offshore chip manufactures that are substitutes for the SST 27SF512 will not work with the Burn 2. I've successfully used both "clones / fake chips" using the Batronix BX32 Batupo II https://www.newark.com/batronix/bx32p-barlino/programmer-bx32p-barlino-ii/dp/53M6869?gclid=Cj0KCQiA99ybBhD9ARIsALvZavUjj8AhCqai l79HpgKkOYBdsa_Hcxe76nbEixTebOiQNcLqqE50ZAYaAjl8EA Lw_wcB&mckv=_dc|pcrid||plid||kword||match||slid||product| 53M6869|pgrid||ptaid||&CMP=KNC-GUSA-PMAX-Shopping-High-ROAS

I also use the Batronix BX32 Batupo II for all the different chip variants used for TBI & TPI computers.

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[Tunedperformance]

Thank you Dave great information, will this do the 2732a ?

[dave w]

Thank you Dave great information, will this do the 2732a ?

The BX32P BARLINO will program "ALL" EPROM Chips used by GM for OBD1 :jfj:

[Tunedperformance]

Awesome, ill have to pick one up

[dave w]

Batronix YouTube Intro: https://www.batronix.com/flash/pee/pee.html

[ralmo94]

Was browsing the web and stumbled across a site that has sst chips.
Says limit 10per customer.
Kinda pricey at $20 a chip + shipping
https://www.hamotorsports.com/products/27sf512-blank-28-pin-eprom-chip?pr_prod_strat=copurchase&pr_rec_id=f9da03460&pr_rec_pid=4361775939680&pr_ref_pid=4401314463840&pr_seq=uniform

Says they have 515 in stock

They also have burn2's seems like they are the same price moates sold them for.
Also a 2timer, and other goodies

[ralmo94]

Just found another site that developed a replacement.
It's a little cheaper at $15 a chip
https://www.burton-racing.com/collections/ecu/products/sst-chip

[ralmo94]

Found another one that has a 2timer built in for $36
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https://boostednw.com/honda-sst-chip-adapter-with-2-timer

[jlowens76]

Found another one that has a 2timer built in for $36
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https://boostednw.com/honda-sst-chip-adapter-with-2-timer


yes these work great, we have them available as well as the regular SST Chips.

Wanted to touch here on the chip topic and the "fake" or not fake issue. Building a burner we have some insight on the issue why these "fake" chips will not work with a Moates Burn2 But they will work with other burners, and contrary to popular belief that its something to do with the voltage it is not.

these "fake" SST are perfectly fine cloned SST chips aside from the fact that they got the erase pulse timing wrong when they copied the regular SST. So while the regular SST work great in the moates burn2, these "fake" clones do not because the moates is programmed to erase the proper way you erase a normal SST (im talking code/firmware/hardware level, not the way you push a button or attempt to do it a different way in a GUI) This likely could have been fixed easily enough with a firmware update in the burn2.

Regardless Yes they can be erased and written with other burners, and it don't matter much unless you have a burn2 already and cannot erase/write them now. But when we made our burner we discovered that issue, and corrected it so it is not an issue which opens the door to a lot more chip options and people not having to search after the last of moates "genuine" stock of SST chips.