Looking for used equipment

[old truck guy]

Ready to purchase programing equipment. It is my understanding that I will need an aldl cable, emulator, burn2, a chip adaptor and a few extra chips. All this stuff new from moates and aldlcable.com is like $400. This was unexpected and hard for me to justify to program 1 vehicle.

Dave W will be doing my tuning but recommends that I be able to make changes along the way. I am assuming that without the emulator I would have to burn a new chip every time we make changes correct?

So does anyone have any of this equipment in used working order that they wold be willing to sell? Or suggestions for cheaper but effective alternatives?

Thx, Mike

[dave w]

Hi Mike,
Burning chips yourself is usually the lowest cost option. The Ostrich 2.0 emulator is a nice option, but not necessary.

Sending chips via USPS (snail mail) can significantly slow the tuning process.

ALDL cables range in price. The average price for a new ALDL is about $60.

The Moates.net Burn 2 ( https://www.moates.net/burn2-chip-programmer-p-197.html?cPath=64 ) is an excellent chip programmer that costs about $85. The Burn 2 is designed to work with a few selected chips, including a the chip used in most 1993 ~ 1995 TBI systems like yours.

The Moates.net G1 ( https://www.moates.net/g1-memory-adapter-tpi-etc-p-32.html ) memory adapter is used to by-pass the original chip in the memcal, that cost about $35.

I suggest using a Zero Insertion Force (ZIF) socket to make swapping chips a quick / easy task. I use the Aries S4 available from Moates.net ( https://www.moates.net/g1-memory-adapter-tpi-etc-p-32.html ) that cost about $7.00.

Chips ( https://www.moates.net/c2-sst-27sf512-chip-p-39.html?cPath=26 ) are available from Moates.net that cost about $5 each.

The total cost to burn your own chip is about $110, with some additional shipping costs.

There is a learning curve to burning your own chips. I think you are up to the challenge of burning your own chips, and can figure things out.:thumbsup:

dave w

[old truck guy]

Hi Mike,
Burning chips yourself is usually the lowest cost option. The Ostrich 2.0 emulator is a nice option, but not necessary.

Sending chips via USPS (snail mail) can significantly slow the tuning process.

ALDL cables range in price. The average price for a new ALDL is about $60.

The Moates.net Burn 2 ( https://www.moates.net/burn2-chip-programmer-p-197.html?cPath=64 ) is an excellent chip programmer that costs about $85. The Burn 2 is designed to work with a few selected chips, including a the chip used in most 1993 ~ 1995 TBI systems like yours.

The Moates.net G1 ( https://www.moates.net/g1-memory-adapter-tpi-etc-p-32.html ) memory adapter is used to by-pass the original chip in the memcal, that cost about $35.

I suggest using a Zero Insertion Force (ZIF) socket to make swapping chips a quick / easy task. I use the Aries S4 available from Moates.net ( https://www.moates.net/g1-memory-adapter-tpi-etc-p-32.html ) that cost about $7.00.

Chips ( https://www.moates.net/c2-sst-27sf512-chip-p-39.html?cPath=26 ) are available from Moates.net that cost about $5 each.

The total cost to burn your own chip is about $110, with some additional shipping costs.

There is a learning curve to burning your own chips. I think you are up to the challenge of burning your own chips, and can figure things out.:thumbsup:

dave w

Im confused Dave. In our last PM your list of what I needed included the emulator. Im assuming without it every time we make changes will require burning a new chip. Is this correct? How many times data logging and adjusting the tune does it typically take on a custom build before you get it right?

[dave w]

Im confused Dave. In our last PM your list of what I needed included the emulator. Im assuming without it every time we make changes will require burning a new chip. Is this correct? You are correct, without an emulator every time a change is needed a new chip will need to be burned.


How many times data logging and adjusting the tune does it typically take on a custom build before you get it right?

Remote tuning can take several chips or uploads to an Ostrich 2.0. I think it is best to be conservative with the changes to the .bin file when remote tuning. It's a good plan to make only a few changes at a time to a chip when remote tuning. Data logs provide a wealth of information, sometimes being with a vehicle can provide information about the tune not easily resolved with a data log requiring a few chips to figure things out.

dave w

[joegreen]

It may sound like a pain to keep burning chips instead of having an emulator but if you have a zif installed it only takes like 10 seconds to burn a new chip and pop it in the ecm. I bought my moates burn 1, chip, zif,and made my aldl cable all for under like $65.