End of windows xp support

[roughneck427]

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx


Ok I like windows xp its been very faithful with TC2 I have had issues with windows 7 with it crashing in winflash or a runtime error I did brick an e38 ecm and was able to recover a 0411 when winflash failed to respond. Anyone else have issues or tips that have worked for you??

[Montecarlodrag]

End of support means no more updates, nothing else.
As long as you have a good antivirus you will be able to use it for many years. I have a few machines running with Win 98 and NT with no problems.

Proper maintenance, good antivirus and minimal internet surfing are the key

[EagleMark]

and always install TC/Winflash in XP service pack 3 mode when using windows 7. Never had any issues on my Windows 7 laptop.

But my Tuning ToughBook will still be running Windows XP. They don't upgrade well to windows 7 and you loose a lot of the ToughBook features. The only reason I have wireless is for my network, I don't use it for internet at all.

[Buzz]

... with TC2 I have had issues with windows 7 with it crashing in winflash or a runtime error ...

Just to add to what Montecarlodrag and EagleMark have already stated ...

I experienced the same issues with TC2 you are describing when first trying to run it on a Windows 7 computer. TC2 runs rock solid on XP.

Here is what I did, and TC2 now runs rock solid on my Windows 7 computers:


prior to loading TC2 and WinFlash, right click on the *.exe files and select "Run in Compatibility Mode" - the default for XP that will be presented is Service Pack 3 (this will work fine - I found Service Pack 2 worked a little better for me)
also select to "Run as Administrator" for both programs
update your USB to Serial drivers (the available Windows 7 driver is outdated)


Additionally, I found TC2 requires more RAM memory to best function with Windows 7. My XP Notebook only has 2Gb of RAM and works well with TC2. I found that with Windows 7, the minimum seems to be 4Gb of RAM for TC2 to run consistently. I have a newer Windows 7 Notebook with 10Gb of RAM and everything works awesome !

Hopefully some of these tips will be of benefit to you ....

[roughneck427]

Thanks that's exactly the info I was looking for

[Six_Shooter]

Additionally, I found TC2 requires more RAM memory to best function with Windows 7. My XP Notebook only has 2Mb of RAM and works well with TC2. I found that with Windows 7, the minimum seems to be 4Mb of RAM for TC2 to run consistently. I have a newer Windows 7 Notebook with 10Mb of RAM and everything works awesome !

Hopefully some of these tips will be of benefit to you ....

Only 10Mb? lol

Sweet, this means, that just like Win 98, it can be downloaded and used for free, without needing to find pirated copies, or worry about the autthentication issues anymore. :D

Sadly, I run Win 7 pretty much exclusively now, so it's not all that exciting, but nice to see that an OS that is still pretty widely used and somewhat current is not open for use. :D

[Buzz]

Only 10Mb? lol

Thanks for the spell check ... nothing worse than entering the wrong units !

I fixed the Mb / Gb error above ... thanks again.

[EagleMark]

I didn't even catch that! :laugh:

I've got 8 Gb in both my Windows 7 laptops and no issues. My tuning toughbook only has 4Gb with XP and no issues. I think the only issue with TC is the install and compatibility mode.

[steveo]

i'll be running xp for many years on many of my machines.

there are two types of exploits that matter, which require patching by microsoft to solve for your operating system to be "safe" and "up to date".

the first is a client-side flaw.. this is something like "i go to a strange website, click something, and my computer is infected without me even installing anything". these are usually just hacking around the usual dialog boxes that ask you if you want to execute some code. well, guess what, you probably aren't USING any of the windows XP network clients anyway. install google chrome or firefox. internet explorer will continue to recieve updates anyway, that has nothing to do with XP being end of life.

the second is a server-side or "remote" flaw. well, unless there is a part of the windows XP TCP stack that turns out to be very faulty (which i doubt, since microsoft didnt write most of it anyway), that means you'd have to be running a built in XP server to be nailed by a remote flaw. DISABLE FILE SHARING if you aren't behind a very well protected internal network. duh. why teh hell you'd be running an XP fileserver is beyond me. lets be honest, you're all behind NAT routers anyway, so unless someone breaks into your router (rare) remote flaws are nearly impossible.

if you realize how these two things work, running windows XP with no updates or service packs is just as safe as a current version; so who cares if it never gets an update again

only other attack vector (a virus you actually download and install) is NOTHING to worry about in XP. why? because it never had any protection against those anyway.

[Buzz]

... I've got 8 Gb in both my Windows 7 laptops and no issues. My tuning toughbook only has 4Gb with XP and no issues. I think the only issue with TC is the install and compatibility mode ...

You are probably correct ... my experience may well be anecdotal ... I have four Notebooks that I use for tuning - one has XP and has never had any problems running TC2. I picked up a 11.6 inch Notebook running Windows 7 on a door crasher deal at Future Shop a year or so ago .... it seemed a little hit or miss with freezing while running TC2 - until I upgraded the RAM.