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Cmarks
10-25-2013, 09:59 PM
Need a little guidance nailing down some basics . When I read and save my current bin file using the AutoProm and TunerPro RT ( v5) I don't show any values in the tables or anywhere . When I read and saved it everything looked fine . File size is 32,768 (32kb). In the pic you can see the xdf and adx files that I'm using . What am I missing. ?

RobertISaar
10-25-2013, 11:37 PM
with the BIN loaded and at the main screen, press Ctrl + H to open up the hex editor. is it all 0s still?

Cmarks
10-26-2013, 12:25 AM
Yes , still all 0's in Hex editor

RobertISaar
10-26-2013, 12:34 AM
sounds like the BIN isn't pulled correctly. or wrong buffer addressing?

EagleMark
10-26-2013, 01:09 AM
Take a look at this for setting offsets:
http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Injection/showthread.php?1477-Reading-Stock-GM-Chips-Burn-1-Burn-2-AutoProm-TunerPro-Flash-and-Burn

Cmarks
10-26-2013, 03:10 AM
Hmmm .... The chip is from Street & Performance and contains one of their tunes . It is a UV chip but the sticker in the chip has been replaced so I'm unable to get the BCC off of it . I'm presuming it is AUJP ?? 90-92 F body , speed density .

Anyhow , so I selected the 29C256 chip and the following buffer address
Chip. 000000-007FFF
Buffer 000000-007FFF

ill read up on those offsets and report back ! Thanks guys !

Six_Shooter
10-26-2013, 03:37 AM
You can try a 512 size selection.

If the EPROM is a 256 size then all that will happen is that the code gets read twice.

Since the bin you saved has zeros for data, I would suspect that it's a 512 size EPROM, and you have only read the top half of the EPROM, when the file itself is loaded to the bottom half ($8000 to $FFFF).

When I haven't got offsets to work correctly for whatever reason, I have read as a the larger EPROM, and then cut the actual code out and pasted it into another hex editor and saved it as the smaller file.

Cmarks
10-27-2013, 06:36 AM
OK, so i spent the last few hours trying different chips 256 & 512, xdf and adx files, offsets. Still nothing . Im stumped. Even tried it on my other laptop ! The only difference that i noticed was that when i selected a 256 chip on my other laptop, and verified the chip with buffer, it says verification failed (not matched). Only passes with the 512 chip.
I'll give Moates tech support a call tomorrow and see what they say. If i still have trouble with i can always run over there and let them try. Only 'bout an hour away.
Thanks for all the assistance guys. If anyone has any other suggestions, i'll give it a shot ! Thanks again

Chris

EagleMark
10-27-2013, 08:51 AM
Connect the AutoProm to the USB cable. The USB will supply the power.
Make sure the 28 pin ribbon cable used for emulation is UNPLUGGED from the unit. Unpredictable behavior can result from the APU1 being directly connected to a ECM using the emulation cable while burning chips.
Place the target or source chip in the ZIF socket. Orientation is critical, and the chip should be placed with its notch or arrow facing toward the ZIF handle and toward the back panel of the AutoProm. The chip should be at the ‘bottom’ of the socket, such that any unused socket pin slots are closest to the handle or backplane.

Try 27C512 and 000000 to FFFFFF and save it and post it, we'll see what's there?

Your first post picture shows a Windows update icon... have you restarted the PC since then? Stuff does go weird sometimes when an update is downloaded and not installed?

Cmarks
10-28-2013, 05:13 AM
I'm trying to read it with as a 27SF512 with 000000-FFFFFF addressing and it says .....

Error: memory range and / or address outside selected EPROM size

Cmarks
10-28-2013, 06:36 AM
Okay, heres what i finally came up with. 29C256 , 000000-007FFF Would you look thru it and tell me if its right. So many values look the same . But im just a noob so i dont know how it should look.

EagleMark
10-28-2013, 06:51 AM
There's nothing right about that bin... sorry... You sure that chip is good?

Can you take a picture of memcal and header mounted in the chip reader? Maybe we can see an issue?

Cmarks
10-28-2013, 07:10 AM
Didn't think it looked right . As for the chip , I have no idea if it's good . All I can say is it should be . This was a new S&P unit that was purchased years ago and the project never got finished .it got parted and I bought the unit. Has never been run . Here are those pics . Let me know if you need more

EagleMark
10-28-2013, 07:42 AM
See the notch on the chip? It points towards the ZIF handle. You have the header in right, but not in AutoProm right. Turn it around so notch points towards Zif handle and it will read.

Cmarks
10-28-2013, 02:03 PM
Okay, i put it back the way it was. This way was the only way i would see values .So I thought that I had it backwards all the times that I was seeing 0 values . Here's what im seeing now with I correctly placed in the ZIF socket and reading a 29c256 with 000000-007FFF

EagleMark
10-28-2013, 06:34 PM
Blank...

Cmarks
10-28-2013, 07:16 PM
Okay . I guess the best course of action is for me to send the Memcal along with the '7730 ECM back to Street & Performance for tuning and testing . Once it gets back I'll know that I have something good to work with . Thanks for all the help guys ! Appreciate it ! :)

Playtoy_18
10-30-2013, 05:40 AM
Damn,you're an hour away from craig,i'm an hour away from S&P. Wish craig were over here and S&P over there.
Help us both out.

Cmarks
10-30-2013, 07:20 AM
Damn,you're an hour away from craig,i'm an hour away from S&P. Wish craig were over here and S&P over there.
Help us both out.

For sure. I met him last week when I went pick up my AutoProm . Great guy and most helpful ! Looking forward to meeting Mark and the guys at S&P when I'm up that way !

Playtoy_18
10-30-2013, 08:01 AM
Mark lives quite a ways from S&P,he's in Idaho and S&P is in Mena,Ar.
Are you planning a long trip I guess lol.
Where you at in Louisiana? I used to live in Leesville/fort polk.

Cmarks
10-30-2013, 02:49 PM
Sorry , I was referring to Mark Campbell that owns S&P . I live in south Louisiana around the Lafayette area

Six_Shooter
10-31-2013, 05:06 AM
I've heard stories years ago where some "tuners" would install a blank chip in a MEMCAL as a "performace chip" in order to force the ECM to run off LHM. The theory was that in LHM the engine ran rich, which was supposed to increase power...

Oh how it was back when...