anywhere to acquire tunercats?

[ericjon262]

do any of you know where I can get tunercats OBDII without a RR or dealing with jet? I'm willing to pay for it, but I don't think my app is supported by a RR, and I don't feel like having to pay to tune multiple vehicles... I am willing to pay for it, I just can't find it...

[EagleMark]

The only way to purchase TunerCat OBDII is with a Roadrunner, it was licensed before the sale to Jet DST.

People that own it don't sell, it's worth way more then any other software. TunerCat is still making new VDF files for it as well as updates, there were just a bunch this month.

[ericjon262]

bummer... well, maybe I'll try to make the RR work for my application...

[EagleMark]

I like mine and it replaced a Vortec PCM... so it can run a distributor as well as Coil on Plug, not sure what it would take to run DIS?

[RobertISaar]

you may still be able to acquire the tunercat dealer kit.... that will allow programming, but no calibration editing.

[ericjon262]

I'm mainly interested in the calibration aspect of the software, I can change the programming in tunerpro. the tunercats software has a larger database then both DHP, and tiny tuner, and I imagine HP tuners too.

I was thinking about trying to do the RR thing, but now I think I'll pass for the time being.

[ericjon262]

I like mine and it replaced a Vortec PCM... so it can run a distributor as well as Coil on Plug, not sure what it would take to run DIS?

I imagine it could do it, as the main thing is that it just replaces the flash chip, my concern is that no-one to my knowledge has done it, so it may not fit in the case if the flash chip isn't located in the same manner.

[ericjon262]

has anyone ever tried using a roadrunner on a GM V6 PCM? I'm thinking more and more about trying to do this. I opened up a junk PCM a couple weeks ago, and I see the chip there, there's no reason I couldn't handle the soldering aspect of the install. my main concern is like I stated earlier about the possible FF issue.

[RobertISaar]

i don't see why it couldn't be done.... after all, the roadrunner is simply a 512KB prom emulator. if the same PROM is used between the LS1 and V6 PCMs, then there is no real difference between what it would be doing in either PCM.

could ask Moates directly, since he seems to be online again.

[Playtoy_18]

Any reason your stuck on the RR?
You have to buy it in the TCII package from craig but there is no reason you have to use it.
Just sell it to someone on efilive or ls1tech boards.

AJ was working on the 0411 and northstars awhile back,and I want to say thomas was working something as well with maybe the 3800's.
I know thomas can switch 3800's to dual bank as well as dual flash I believe.

Robert,this is what I was thinking about when I asked about the crank resolution and correltation stuff awhile back offhand.
I built a prototype cam sensor for the 60*V6's to convert the gen1/2's to OBDII.
But the main goal was to get a better handle on the cam/crank/firing order stuff in the software so I could find a way to alter the crank signal to either 24x or 58x to adapt a 12200411 similar to the vortec mod.
If you can run an 0411 you can run a roadrunner.

fortunately on the vortec 0411 swap we found the express van file where gm did the work for us.

[EagleMark]

fortunately on the vortec 0411 swap we found the express van file where gm did the work for us. That means it can be done in software...

[Playtoy_18]

That's what I figured,and jeff or pauly is the one that figured out GM used another calibration for that pcm in the other platform.
IIRC the LS 0411 bin supports 24x or 58x crank and 1x or 4x cam signal,utilizing coil on plug.
whereas the vortec has the 1x cmp and 4x ckp with distributor.
Quite a bit of difference,but I haven't had a chance to dig furthur into it.
(though i've got feelers out looking for various overseas bins jic )

Somewhere the computer has the firing angle,crank resolution etc built into an algo i'm assuming.
I hope to simply find a 60 degree file that will work after some minor mods.
Though due to some recent project changes i'm thinking of dumping all my 60* stuff and just sticking with 3800.
Might be easier,at least it is still 90* banks so firing angle will be similar.

Anyway,nothing i'm smart enough to figure out quickly if at all. Just something filed in the back of my mind that is interesting.

[RobertISaar]

firing angle on a 3800 is 72 or 70* IIRC.... while the 60V6 uses 60*.

[ericjon262]

Any reason your stuck on the RR?
You have to buy it in the TCII package from craig but there is no reason you have to use it.
Just sell it to someone on efilive or ls1tech boards.


I'm not really stuck on the RR, but if I'm gonna spend the money, I'm gonna take the benefits that come with it.


I think we could hack together the shortstar and 60V6 programming and make something cool work here, I just need to get my hands on a short* bin file to see what else is in there, and hopefully there's a tuner that supports it so I don't have to do as much leg work.

[EagleMark]

I was looking through Platform options in the 2002 0411 12212156 OS and the calibration for the Vortec is the only one checked for Low Resolution Crank GMT610 IIRC which is the Van that came with Vortec engine and this PCM.

[Hog]

I was looking through Platform options in the 2002 0411 12212156 OS and the calibration for the Vortec is the only one checked for Low Resolution Crank GMT610 IIRC which is the Van that came with Vortec engine and this PCM.
I see that under vehicle platform #6 has these checked off, but how did you know that #6 is teh GMT610 van? Are the vehciles [platforms #1 through #10 defined somewhere? or did you come to this conclusion by comparing many differnt 41 2156 o/s's?

thanks

peace
PAuly

PS . I started compiling info over at PPE, then a gentleman named Airdeano helped me figure out that the "8.1l PCM" could be used to control an L31 engine. We went through the pinouts together and it all fit. Once this was proven, Jeff took the ball and ran with it, and HE made the blackbox to 0411 PCM swap possible for the masses. Jeff did all the hard work.

[EagleMark]

It is defined in EFI Live.

[Hog]

Excellent, thank you muchly.

peace
Hog

[Playtoy_18]

Hey eric i've got a shortstar file,will have to check if it is .bin or .cal .
At least pretty sure it is,the shelby series 1 was a shortstar right?
I get my slang mixed up sometimes :)
I'll post it up when I get a chance and i'm on laptop,though someone else here might have it.

[ericjon262]

well, I should have tunercats here in the next couple of days...


Dear wallet,

I'm sorry.

V/R

Eric.

[Playtoy_18]

Don't apologize,so easy to make the money back when you aren't vin-locked by tuning nazi's that it's stupid.
It'll be one of the best tuning purchases you've made and you won't regret it.
Start tuning people for hard settings like cats,egr,tire/gearing etc.
Charge em $100 apeice and use it to build your VDF library ($80 ea).
If you don't make the money back in a year easy AND have a crapload of def files than it's not TCII,it's you
:)

[ericjon262]

Don't apologize,so easy to make the money back when you aren't vin-locked by tuning nazi's that it's stupid.
It'll be one of the best tuning purchases you've made and you won't regret it.
Start tuning people for hard settings like cats,egr,tire/gearing etc.
Charge em $100 apeice and use it to build your VDF library ($80 ea).
If you don't make the money back in a year easy AND have a crapload of def files than it's not TCII,it's you
:)

lol

I didn't really think about it, but do I need to buy a VDF with my RR guts kit? or will I get a free one since it's the initial purchase?

[EagleMark]

Roadrunner plus TunerCat OBDII comes with the needed vdf. Should also buy the cable for flashing stock PCM.

[ericjon262]

Roadrunner plus TunerCat OBDII comes with the needed vdf. Should also buy the cable for flashing stock PCM.


I plan to. will tunercat allow you to save files as a .bin and not just a .cal? if so, I can flash through my DHP,

[Playtoy_18]

Tunercat will flash .bin or .cal pretty sure.
Can't remember flashing a .bin though so not sure on that.
You can save as a .bin when you upload from pcm.
press "ctrl+T" and you will see a seperate "test" option come up.
That will make TC download as a .bin
post up when your ready and we can walk you thru if needed (might take a pm to prod me here since I haven't had much time to skim posts lately).

[Montecarlodrag]

You can save as .bin, but winflash will not flash a .bin file to a pcm

[Hog]

Roadrunner plus TunerCat OBDII comes with the needed vdf. Should also buy the cable for flashing stock PCM.

And if you have previous VDF's tehre is a license you buy to port all those VDF's for R/T OBD2 use.

peace
Hog

[Hog]

Hey eric i've got a shortstar file,will have to check if it is .bin or .cal .
At least pretty sure it is,the shelby series 1 was a shortstar right?
I get my slang mixed up sometimes :)
I'll post it up when I get a chance and i'm on laptop,though someone else here might have it.

Shelby Series 1 was a 4.0 Olds Aurora V8 that had the L37-4.6l-300hp camshafts installed. Supposedly rated at 320hp, but was far short of that. This is why those Shelby Series 1-0411 PCM calibrations have such bloody high rev limits and shiftpoints. Camshafts designed for 300hp in a 4.6 liter engine, installed into a smaller 4.0 engine.
There was also the 275hp 4.6 Northstar, it came with higher 3.2:1 transaxle gearing and smaller higher torque 275hp camshafts vs. the L37 300hp cams that ran the lower 3.7:1 transaxle gear


The 4.6 and the 4.0 are both Northstar engines at heart, the Shortstar is a Cadillac 3.5 6 cylinder engine. Like a Northstar with cylinders lopped off, making is shorter, or a "Shortstar".

peace
Hog

[ericjon262]

The 4.6 and the 4.0 are both Northstar engines at heart, the Shortstar is a Cadillac 3.5 6 cylinder engine. Like a Northstar with cylinders lopped off, making is shorter, or a "Shortstar".

peace
Hog

kinda, but they are a little more different then that.

[Hog]

kinda, but they are a little more different then that.

Obviously they are differnt than that since the 93 mm (3.7") bore and 84mm(3.3") of the 4.6 and the 87mm(3.4") and the stroke was 84 mm (3.3") of the L47 4.0L dont match the 89.5 mm(3.52" )bore and stroke is 92mm(3.6") of the LX5 shortstar V6.
It doesnt have exactly the same relationship of V8 to V6 like the 5.7l V8 and the 4.3 V6 have. But the LX5 is called a "Shortstar" because is resemles the Northstar V8's with 2 cylinders lopped of. "Shortstar" is purely a name of which was enthusiasts creation with ZERO official reference from GM.

The 3.5 was one of teh more costly engines to develop and was used VERY little.

peace
Hog

[ericjon262]

The 3.5 was one of teh more costly engines to develop and was used VERY little.

peace
Hog

lol, GM has a habit of doing the above don't they...

[roby]

What are you guys paying for the packages from Moates? They've taken down most of the pricing for TC packages.

-Roadrunner, $599
-Winflash reflash software w/cables, $280
-TCOBD2, ?
-All VDFs files package, ?
-LS1 VDFs only package, ?

[EagleMark]

Just send them an email for pricing.

[Playtoy_18]

I paid $349 when it came out years ago,and about another $1k since building all my def files at $80each and $150 for a new USB/CAN box when it came out.

:)
:)
:)
;)

[Lextech]

I bought mine used with a broken screened laptop delivered to the door for $300.00. A few years later I updated the plastic T/C box to the aluminum box for $100.00. Then about 3 or so years ago I updated to the CAN box for $150.00 (I think) and was told to keep my aluminum box unit. So, I now have 2 Tunercat boxes and 15 VDFs. Best money I ever spent on any type of purchase ever.

Jeff

[Buzz]

Yes indeed ...purchasing TC is money well spent. I have the OBDII RT version, and every definition file available. Would have cost $30K or so to have the equivalent unlimited tuning ability from other tuning softwares.

T/C is definitely an enthusiast focused company.

[EagleMark]

I just got off the phone with Criag Moates and all the Roadrunner TunerCat OBDII products and packages are still available, until they get the website back in order just send them an email.

It is only available to Roadrunner registered owners.

[ericjon262]

right here:

https://www.moates.net/rtobd2-tunercat-roadrunner-rttuner-with-1-def-p-113.html?cPath=31 (https://www.moates.net/rtobd2-tunercat-roadrunner-rttuner-with-1-def-p-113.html?cPath=31)

[Buzz]

Best "bang for your buck" right here:

http://www.moates.net/rtobd2-all-complete-package-p-117.html

[ericjon262]

Best "bang for your buck" right here:

http://www.moates.net/rtobd2-all-complete-package-p-117.html

yeah, not in the cards for me right now though... :(

[Z28Junkie]

Did anyone come forward with the obd2 version forsale? Very interested in purchasing myself. Thanks in advance.

[1project2many]

Please don't make multiple posts with the same request. One is fine, thanks.

[Z28Junkie]

My apologies. Was trying to bring up some old threads