Moates is closed

[In-Tech]

http://www.moates.net/

I wish them well in whatever they decide to pursue, I have enjoyed their products over the years.

[dave w]

Perhaps the Moates.net YouTube will be available going forward? https://www.youtube.com/@craigmoates

[In-Tech]

I hope so, thanks for that link. I just bought a quarterhorse for an EECV I am doing, luckily I got it right before they were discontinued. On bench it seems to work flawlessly and I will be doing some live tuning on a 2000 mustang with it after Thanksgiving. I sure enjoy my roadrunner the few times I have used it.

[tayto]

WOW... i had been thinking a week or 2 ago that with all their major products discontinued why even keep going. Guess i saw the writing on the wall and put an order in of some stuff i may need in the future , wish I would have gotten more now. I am also glad that i bought an ostrich2 back in 2021. i have had their aldl cable and burn2 for
over a decade now ...

[1project2many]

Craig was one of the pioneers when it came to creating and selling components to help car guys tune their cars and improve performance. I believe the first thing he did for the community was to sell component kits for the DIY-WB O2 driver and display at the end of the '90s. He's done an awful lot for the community over the years and it's been a pleasure to be able to refer to his products and his website. I wish him the best of luck.

[alexgranich]

Hi, Im new here, was looking for the tools needed to start with this, but with motes out of the game what options do we have to buy the connectors and tools to burn chips?

[Turnshredder]

This really Sucks, isn't the moates stuff the only thing we can use. How else could you burn or swap chips out without Moates. I got my 350 in my van running great with Tuner Pro, but how can we use Tuner Pro with out the Moates hardware ??

[dave w]

There are options for burning OBD1 chips, more expensive and cumbersome.

Moates made burning OBD1 chips easy and affordable. Nobody embraces the requirement of using an Ultra Voilet light chip eraser on an EPROM and coming up to speed with an EPROM chip programmer that requires a crash course about chips and chip variants.

EEPROMS makes OBD1 chip programming affordable and easy.

[jlowens76]

There is other hardware, and new companies coming out with similar hardware that will work, The new burn2 replacement at boostednw.com seems to be the best choice, other non automotive eeprom burners wont have the same protocol support and direct integration with Tuner Pro like moates burn2 did

[Tunedperformance]

Batronix is alittle more expensive but great to do 27c & 2732s . Thanks Dave

[btcpj62]

This really Sucks, isn't the moates stuff the only thing we can use. How else could you burn or swap chips out without Moates. I got my 350 in my van running great with Tuner Pro, but how can we use Tuner Pro with out the Moates hardware ??
The burner that I just got from boostednw.com works great with Tuner Pro. That was one of the main goals of the burner, direct integration with existing products, as it uses the same protocol as the burn2. You're not gonna get that with other "options" people speak of ��

[Tunedperformance]

The burner that I just got from boostednw.com works great with Tuner Pro. That was one of the main goals of the burner, direct integration with existing products, as it uses the same protocol as the burn2. You're not gonna get that with other "options" people speak of ��
Funny you only post here and on thirdgen in 3rd person and only promote your Boostednw site.

[btcpj62]

Funny you only post here and on thirdgen in 3rd person and only promote your Boostednw site.

Your tinfoil hat does not suit you very well. I am a customer and I am only posting to support a business from which I got a product from and fully support and don't really get your incessant posting on any post or reply with anything related to them. Step outside, get some fresh air.. Your behaviour is concerning.

[jlowens76]

The burner that I just got from boostednw.com works great with Tuner Pro. That was one of the main goals of the burner, direct integration with existing products, as it uses the same protocol as the burn2. You're not gonna get that with other "options" people speak of ��

Glad to hear, and Glad I could help you out today via phone!

[falconvan]

Glad to hear, and Glad I could help you out today via phone!

Second on this I just found out Moates was closed after I put the whole TBI system on my 283. Boostednw.com has the G2 chip adapters, chips, and they will install in your PCM. Sending mine out this weekend! https://boostednw.com/

[NomakeWan]

I grabbed a GM1 adapter from BoostedNW the other week expecting a 10-day lead time, but instead it shipped that same weekend and arrived that week. I had an Ostrich 2.0 that had been laying around my lab for years unused, so I slapped it all together and used it to correct a lean stumble on my '90 due to the previous owner installing the wrong injectors (not entirely his fault; a certain company I won't name recommends the incorrect injector for this application). I've got a few 27C256 chips laying around from working on a Skyline GT-R, so one of those is what's going into the adapter now.

Only two complaints with the GM1, though as I have never had a Moates G1 I can't say whether those same problems exist there or if it's unique to the GM1. First, the width of the ECM side connector is slightly too narrow for the retention clips on the ECM to engage properly. This results in it being impossible to push the GM1 into place unless you have moved both retention clips to almost their "engaged and locked" position before pushing down. As long as you know that beforehand it's not a big deal, but widening the connector just a little bit would allow the retention clip hooks to engage properly so that they would snap into place without jamming up.

Second, the cutout in the PCB intended to clear the center protrusion on the factory MEMCAL is ever so slightly not deep enough. This causes the factory MEMCAL to sit slightly crooked on the adapter, though the pins do all fully engage. I figure I can just file it down a bit to get it flush.

Apologies for the vague language. Assuming the weather holds I'm going to be doing more work on the car today, so I'll pull the adapter and take some measurements to see exactly what changes are necessary.

But like I said, first try the adapter did what it needed to do, and now the car runs like factory. :thumbsup:

[jlowens76]

First, the width of the ECM side connector is slightly too narrow for the retention clips on the ECM to engage properly.


Yeah the ECM/bottom connector is standard. So the same thing would happen with moates G1 and red devil river adapters.


Second, the cutout in the PCB intended to clear the center protrusion on the factory MEMCAL is ever so slightly not deep enough. This causes the factory MEMCAL to sit slightly crooked on the adapter, though the pins do all fully engage. I figure I can just file it down a bit to get it flush.

Yes this has been noted and will be changed on future boards. The pins engage enough where it shouldn't be an issue we have been running one for a while in a TBI setup with no issues. (also yes filing it down for anyone has one currently will work to get it seated completely, and we will be filing the ones we have on this revision before they go out)


Other than that, Glad we got it to you fast and its doing its job!

[ben73]

Oh wow, this is sad. I've been buying Craig's products since 2003 and still use them to this day.
This is a huge loss.

Craig, if you're reading - thanks soo much for your contribution to the DIY EFI community and I hope everything is okay and you're moving to greener pastures!